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Andrespetmonkey said:
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VGKing said:
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And so are the best tablets, and they are getting better and better at gaming and more and more people are gaming on them. Casual gamers will see the Wii U's major selling point, it's tablet controller and think "I already have an Ipad/other tablet, I can play plenty of great games on that, why should I spend $xxx on this?"


1. A tablet PC can not stream its content to your HD TV on its own.

2. A tablet PC can not interact with said TV.

3. A tablet PC is often more expensive.

4. A tablet has no Buttons and no Dual Analog Sticks for more comfortable gameplay.

Btw I love how everyone was like "OLOLOL Vita haz dual analog, 3DS is fucked!" and now people are like "Why I needz Upad when I haz iPad? Physical buttons? Dual Analogz? Pfft, big deal." Hypocrits as far as the eye can see.



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PDF said:
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PDF said:
If the WiiU is comparable to the rest of the next gen consoles I think they will be in a very good position, coming off of the Wii market share. They would make a very good argument to own their console, ninty exclusives, new intuitive controller, and 3rd party support.

WiiU is weak compared to the rest of the next gen consoles, its a much harder argument. Tablet-like controller doesn't turn heads like motion control. Lack of 3rd parties turn away your average gamer like me. I think they will be in 3rd if their machine cannot keep up.


Ever heard of the iPad?

What Nintendo has here with the Wii U is the first real tablet gaming console, and it is kid-friendly. It will sell like hotcakes. Mark my words.

I always here that same argument and I think its silly.   The WiiU controller is no iPad.  I can't take it with me, its not portable.  It does not appeal in the same way.  I won't be storing music on it, I wont be getting aps for it, I won't use it for anything other than being a gaming controller which it is.  The only thing the WiiU controller and a ipad really share is the look, not functionality.

I will give you this much, its intuitive, its easy to understand and use.  That will be great selling point. 

Studies have shown that most people use the iPad at home.

No, you won't store music directly on the controller, but you can on the console. There will be apps for the Wii U. At the very least Youtube/Netflix/Facebook...etc. These will all be accessible on the tablet.



duckypwns said:
Nintendo is making a console. Sony and Microsoft will be making toned down PC gaming experiences once again in generation 8.

All Sony and Microsoft are really doing is making gaming more expensive, and giving their systems exclusives. You know, people get so freakin' excited when a 360 or PS3 exclusive comes out. They go on the internet and brag about how the people who don't share their brand devotion can't play that game. But all a 360 or PS3 exclusive means is that you'll have to use whatever control mechanisms Sony and Microsoft want you to, you'll have to experience the graphics that they want you to, you'll have to abide by their EULA, you can't mod games without breaking the EULA, thus, in some cases giving companies the rights to disable your system from playing games, (you may argue that they rarely do this, but who in their right mind would passively agree to that?) and you just won't have as many options as you would have had with the game had it been on PC.

Before people brag on Sony / Microsoft exclusives next generation, they need to think about what they're doing. Isn't that basically the equivalent of a bunch of toddlers crawling around in a playpen, and one of them grabs a particular toy, and starts crying and screaming, "WAHHH I WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH THIS TOY!" so he proceeds to wipe his shit and snot all over it and then acts like everyone is supposed to be glad about it? I mean correct me if I'm wrong but that's pretty much a perfect analogy from what I can tell.

Every game would be better on PC, but the only reason I'm willing to tolerate Nintendo is because of two reasons that tie in together: I feel that at least ONE console is an inevitability, and I feel that they are the most reasonable when it comes to making a console, primarily due to the price point. I don't LIKE Nintendo's hardware at all, I'm only willing to tolerate it. Once Nintendo gets to the "599 USD" level they will be on my shitlist as well. But they KNOW that's how many people feel. That's why people like them. So they're not going to make that mistake.

You can't really be the ignorant.

Yes, any game can be made on PC. but the thing about Microsoft and Sony is that they realized people prefer to game with a gamepad in front of an HDTV.
PC Gaming just isn't cool. You play Call of Duty on XBox? You are cool. On PC? NERD. This is the way it was in high school for me about 2 years ago. It hasn't changed.

The only thing "Toned-down" about PS360 games are its graphics. 

", in some cases giving companies the rights to disable your system from playing games, (you may argue that they rarely do this, but who in their right mind would passively agree to that?) and you just won't have as many options as you would have had with the game had it been on PC."

That's the thing though. PS3360 exclusives ARE NOT on PC.



duckypwns said:
Nintendo is making a console. Sony and Microsoft will be making toned down PC gaming experiences once again in generation 8.

All Sony and Microsoft are really doing is making gaming more expensive, and giving their systems exclusives. You know, people get so freakin' excited when a 360 or PS3 exclusive comes out. They go on the internet and brag about how the people who don't share their brand devotion can't play that game. But all a 360 or PS3 exclusive means is that you'll have to use whatever control mechanisms Sony and Microsoft want you to, you'll have to experience the graphics that they want you to, you'll have to abide by their EULA, you can't mod games without breaking the EULA, thus, in some cases giving companies the rights to disable your system from playing games, (you may argue that they rarely do this, but who in their right mind would passively agree to that?) and you just won't have as many options as you would have had with the game had it been on PC.

Before people brag on Sony / Microsoft exclusives next generation, they need to think about what they're doing. Isn't that basically the equivalent of a bunch of toddlers crawling around in a playpen, and one of them grabs a particular toy, and starts crying and screaming, "WAHHH I WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH THIS TOY!" so he proceeds to wipe his shit and snot all over it and then acts like everyone is supposed to be glad about it? I mean correct me if I'm wrong but that's pretty much a perfect analogy from what I can tell.

Every game would be better on PC, but the only reason I'm willing to tolerate Nintendo is because of two reasons that tie in together: I feel that at least ONE console is an inevitability, and I feel that they are the most reasonable when it comes to making a console, primarily due to the price point. I don't LIKE Nintendo's hardware at all, I'm only willing to tolerate it. Once Nintendo gets to the "599 USD" level they will be on my shitlist as well. But they KNOW that's how many people feel. That's why people like them. So they're not going to make that mistake.


lol wtf did I just read



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Chandler said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
PDF said:
VGKing said:
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And so are the best tablets, and they are getting better and better at gaming and more and more people are gaming on them. Casual gamers will see the Wii U's major selling point, it's tablet controller and think "I already have an Ipad/other tablet, I can play plenty of great games on that, why should I spend $xxx on this?"

1. A tablet PC can not stream its content to your HD TV on its own.

Not yet, they'll get there soon.

2. A tablet PC can not interact with said TV.

Look at my reply to one

3. A tablet PC is often more expensive.

But the games certainly aren't and many people already own tablets. 

4. A tablet has no Buttons and no Dual Analog Sticks for more comfortable gameplay.

For the most part casuals don't give a fuck, there are many, many multi-million sellers on IOS/Andriod. The hardcore will definitely care, but it's not the hardcore that brought the Wii to almost 100m units sold.

Btw I love how everyone was like "OLOLOL Vita haz dual analog, 3DS is fucked!" I've never heard anybody say that, but whatever and now people are like "Why I needz Upad when I haz iPad? Physical buttons? Dual Analogz? Pfft, big deal." The hardcores say that, not the casuals Hypocrits as far as the eye can see.





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mike_intellivision said:
Once we have details on the other systems, we can make fair assessments.

We know next to nothing, to be honest, about the WiiU. We know even less about the Xbox 720 and PS 4 -- except we think that Durango and Orbis are in development.

We do know that some analysts are predicting failure for Nintendo and think it should go third party, even though it sold 95m consoles this generation and that strategy has not served Sega very well.

We do know that people have freaked out about Nintendo taking its first loss while all but ignoring Siny's worse financial record.

We do know that Microsoft has a tough time selling in Japan and is about to launch an integrated OS that will change Windows fundamentally -- something that may not be well accepted by (business) users [my opinion].

Predicting anything at this point is folly or wishful thinking. It is often done because someone wants something to happen or so someone is not wise enough to think things through.

By this point next week, we be able to make much more informed decisions about the WiiU.

We probably ought to wait until then if we wish to have a reasoned, intelligent discussion.

Mike from Morgantown

1. We KNOW PS4 and 720 are in development. It's just common sense.

2. No one is ignoring Sony's financial troubles. The reason they freaked out over Nintendo is because they are a pure gaming company. The thing about them going 3rd party, yeah those are exaggeratins. Dont' take these analysts too seriously.

3. Xbox 360 sales in Japan are irrelvant. Why bring it up?



Chandler said:

Btw I love how everyone was like "OLOLOL Vita haz dual analog, 3DS is fucked!" and now people are like "Why I needz Upad when I haz iPad? Physical buttons? Dual Analogz? Pfft, big deal." Hypocrits as far as the eye can see.


 lmao. So true. People complained about the DS touchscreen for so long, most of them obviously not having even tried it. They claimed that it was a "gimmick", despite that most games just used it for menus, and the games that did use it for gameplay did it well, I.E. Elite Beat Agents, The World Ends With You, etc.

Yet when Sony revealed that the Vita had a touchscreen, suddenly they started saying things like "Hm, well I can see how a touchscreen would be interesting!"



VGKing said:
duckypwns said:
Nintendo is making a console. Sony and Microsoft will be making toned down PC gaming experiences once again in generation 8.

All Sony and Microsoft are really doing is making gaming more expensive, and giving their systems exclusives. You know, people get so freakin' excited when a 360 or PS3 exclusive comes out. They go on the internet and brag about how the people who don't share their brand devotion can't play that game. But all a 360 or PS3 exclusive means is that you'll have to use whatever control mechanisms Sony and Microsoft want you to, you'll have to experience the graphics that they want you to, you'll have to abide by their EULA, you can't mod games without breaking the EULA, thus, in some cases giving companies the rights to disable your system from playing games, (you may argue that they rarely do this, but who in their right mind would passively agree to that?) and you just won't have as many options as you would have had with the game had it been on PC.

Before people brag on Sony / Microsoft exclusives next generation, they need to think about what they're doing. Isn't that basically the equivalent of a bunch of toddlers crawling around in a playpen, and one of them grabs a particular toy, and starts crying and screaming, "WAHHH I WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH THIS TOY!" so he proceeds to wipe his shit and snot all over it and then acts like everyone is supposed to be glad about it? I mean correct me if I'm wrong but that's pretty much a perfect analogy from what I can tell.

Every game would be better on PC, but the only reason I'm willing to tolerate Nintendo is because of two reasons that tie in together: I feel that at least ONE console is an inevitability, and I feel that they are the most reasonable when it comes to making a console, primarily due to the price point. I don't LIKE Nintendo's hardware at all, I'm only willing to tolerate it. Once Nintendo gets to the "599 USD" level they will be on my shitlist as well. But they KNOW that's how many people feel. That's why people like them. So they're not going to make that mistake.

You can't really be the ignorant.

Yes, any game can be made on PC. but the thing about Microsoft and Sony is that they realized people prefer to game with a gamepad in front of an HDTV.
PC Gaming just isn't cool. You play Call of Duty on XBox? You are cool. On PC? NERD. This is the way it was in high school for me about 2 years ago. It hasn't changed.

The only thing "Toned-down" about PS360 games are its graphics. 

", in some cases giving companies the rights to disable your system from playing games, (you may argue that they rarely do this, but who in their right mind would passively agree to that?) and you just won't have as many options as you would have had with the game had it been on PC."

That's the thing though. PS3360 exclusives ARE NOT on PC.

You really can't be this ignorant.

Yes, any game can be made on the PC. You cannot deny that, and were forced to admit it. But the thing is, Sony, Microsoft, and other companies  realized people prefer to game with a gamepad in front of an HDTV - and that's why those options are available on PC.

And thus, your entire argument shatters. Who is the ignorant one here again? I would say it's the person biased towards expensive restrictions.

I don't care about your personal life or personal perception of things. I care about the facts. And the fact is, people that think others are "nerds" for things like PC gaming never show their face in the real world because they know they have no argument. Every time my friends come over, we play games on my PC, on an HDTV, with 360 controllers, and none of them ever say "LOLOLOL NERD XDDD". Only someone like you would do that, because you can't stand someone not liking Sony / Microsoft. You just can't seem to handle the idea of someone not liking what you like, even when what you like just makes things more expensive and less fun.

And no, I just mentioned several advantages of PC gaming beyond the graphics. You know, you console kids really are funny. You claim you don't care about graphics, yet you pay more in order to have inferior graphics, and refuse to play anything with good graphics? Sorry to break it to you, but that's caring about graphics! You're perfectly content to run around screaming "LOL, THE WII IS FOR KIDS, SUCH SHITTY GRAPHICS!!! GRAPHICS ARE SO AWESOME" but then when someone says "But the PC has even better graphics", you switch your argument to "OH YEAH? WELL IT'S NOT ABOUT GRAPHICS!!! WHAT ARE YOU, A GRAPHICS WHORE?!"

And your last statement - Correct me if I'm wrong but are you literally denying the laws of supply and demand? Yes, the PS3 and 360 exclusives are not on PC - Because people won't allow them to be there. They obviously prefer paying more for them to be shittier.

Now is the idea of "paying more for a shittier product" something people do because they think it's BETTER SOMEHOW? Or do they do it out of ignorance and bias?



I think that Nintendo's sales losses can all be put down to consumer trend. The PS1 had a two-year head start on the N64, used a much more efficient storage method in the emerging CD, which drained the vast majority of N64's third-party support when they realized the games would not fit on a cartridge. The lack of games, along with a rather intimidating (but still awesome) controller probably scared a few people away.

PS2 on the other hand was the successor to an incredibly successful system, was a DVD player when the market for them was just hitting the mainstream and had huge third-party support. The fact that it was a DVD player alone probably drew in 50m+ of it's sales from people who thought "Hmm, I want a DVD Player, what? That thing not only plays Playstation games, but is also a DVD Player? INSTABUY." That's the reason I and many of my friends got PS2s and I'd imagine it was the same for many others.

I'd also be agreeing with a couple of people earlier in the thread, the N64 and the GCN did have arguably Nintendo's greatest games, but there was one glaring hole in their libraries: 2D Mario. Had 2D Mario been released in late 2003- early2004 with a whole "Return to your roots." sales pitch, I guarantee that they would have sold a few more million consoles and pushed Xbox into last place. Wii U already has a practically confirmed 2D Mario, so it is very unlikely it will come third.



The Wii U's gimmick will be a tablet that can interact with a TV & that plays Nintendo games.