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Forums - General - My Girlfriends Brother is being Deported to Italy- a place he lived for the first year of his life!!! *Update*

thranx on 30 May 2012
spurgeonryan said:
thranx said:
spurgeonryan said:
Well we have really no sympathy for him either, but he is still family. Sent him with some money, and she went and said goodbye to him. The question is should this be allowed? Just going to go over there and be a burden on the Italian government. Like I said , any Italian that he speaks is just a little here and there that he learned from his parents. Which will most likely be totally different than how Native Italians speak.

Also the Lawyers said there was little chance that anything could be done if we did pay 1500 dollars or more for his time.


considering he had many options to avoid this, yes it should be allowed. He could of done many things to avoid this and CHOSE not too. I certainly believe people should be able to make their own choices. How old is he?

He is 35.

But this could happen even with someone who gets in trouble once. Technically they could have thrown him out the first time around. You guys are saying that even if you know nothing of the country, you should just be shipped back. Has kids here, family, speaks English, has a construction company that has been kept open by his sons, etc. You are saying that in this situation the American Government should deport someone?

 

Also he was just sleeping in the Van.

No it can't. It can happen to someone who does not become a citizen and decides to break the law. He had plenty of time to get his citizen ship.

I do prefer that the court system deports those who do not become a citizen and choose to break laws. I dont want them weighing down the american court system or american tax payers.



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Adinnieken on 30 May 2012
spurgeonryan said:

 

He was born in Italy, but moved here with his parents at a young age. For some crazy reason he never became a citizen. My Girlfriend was brought into this world here, but was first created in Italy. We will get into Abortion issues in some other thread.

Anyways. during his life he has had multiple DUI's and other minor crimes. Last year, he was in his van sleeping in a 7/11 parking lot. Some police came over to see what was going on. They woke him up and searched his van. Lo and behold the police officers discover some open bottles of Whiskey in his van. It did not matter that he was not driving, it only mattered that this was not his first rodeo and he was in the Van. So he was arrested and put into jail.

Fast forward a few months.

While in jail, the court system decided that enough is enough and they sentencing him to deportation back to Italy.  Remember that he only lived there for a year as a child. He does not speak Italian.... He knows nobody there..... What is this all about? I understand that a Mexican who comes up here and is deported for breaking the law. That makes sense because he has a home there, speaks the language, and all the other perks you get from living in a country for most of your life. But my GF's Brother is basically an American.

 

Is this right? Should there have been an exeption to the rule here?

I think so, but now he is being sent , today, overseas via tax payers expense and some large jet to Italy to live the rest of his life as a bum. He can never come back here. There is a possibility of moving to Canada or Australia where we have family though. Is there anyone on this site who lives in Italy that knows of any agencies or churches over there that can get him up and running?

You would need to talk to an immigration expert, for which there are free resources.  However, I'm guessing with him being deported as we speak, it's too late.

The biggest problem is his criminal history.  Had he been an upstanding citizen, contributing to society the judge may have offered an option.  However, it sounds like as soon as it became an immigration decision an lawyer who deals with immigration issues should have been consulted. 

Certainly his parent's would have been responsible for his citizenship up until he was 18, but then it was his responsibility once he turned 18. 



crissindahouse on 30 May 2012

i just don't understand how someone living since he was one year old in the usa for 34 years now isn't an american and still an italian. if he didn't want to be an american it seems legit that usa can say then "if you didn't want to be part of us, you have to follow the rules or bye bye". sure i think if he didn't drive it's no reason to do it but if this is law in usa, you just shouldn't sleep in your van drunken. easy as that, if you could get deported for this, don't do it.

if he couldn't get the american citizenship, the rules are shit and it's bad for him and if he just "forgot" to get the american citizenship for 34 years, what can i say? his own fault as bad as it sounds.



Adinnieken on 30 May 2012
spurgeonryan said:
thranx said:
spurgeonryan said:
Well we have really no sympathy for him either, but he is still family. Sent him with some money, and she went and said goodbye to him. The question is should this be allowed? Just going to go over there and be a burden on the Italian government. Like I said , any Italian that he speaks is just a little here and there that he learned from his parents. Which will most likely be totally different than how Native Italians speak.

Also the Lawyers said there was little chance that anything could be done if we did pay 1500 dollars or more for his time.


considering he had many options to avoid this, yes it should be allowed. He could of done many things to avoid this and CHOSE not too. I certainly believe people should be able to make their own choices. How old is he?

He is 35.

But this could happen even with someone who gets in trouble once. Technically they could have thrown him out the first time around. You guys are saying that even if you know nothing of the country, you should just be shipped back. Has kids here, family, speaks English, has a construction company that has been kept open by his sons, etc. You are saying that in this situation the American Government should deport someone?

 

Also he was just sleeping in the Van.

The US is far more relaxed than other countries.  I tried taking a holiday in the UK and was denied entry simply because I mentioned that I might also look for work while on holiday.  I'm not barred from entry into the UK because of that instance (I was denied entry, not deported) but I met a number of people who were.  Mostly Uni students for Far-Eastern countries.  They actually got a kick out of a Caucasian American getting kicked out of the UK.  But most of the were deported because they either dropped out of or stopped attending school and subsequently stayed longer than permitted.  One unfortunate chap actually went through the proper channels well before his deportation but it seems like people there didn't want to help him at all.  Another group from the US was denied entry because they were coming to the UK to perform, but they were coming on a Holiday visa.  US citizens can enter the UK without paperwork (visas) if its for holiday--any other reason and you need the proper visa.  There are few exceptions.

You can't even get married in the UK without a proper visa if you're not a UK citizen.  Nor can you work, look for work or apply for work in the UK (while there) without the proper visa.  In both instances you have to leave, get the proper visa, then come back.

About the only chance your gfs brother has is if his children are 21 or older, they can sponsor him.  But if he's 35, I doubt they are that old.  Otherwise, he may be permitted back in the US if he marries a US citizen.  I don't know how deportation works.

 



Mr Khan on 30 May 2012

If he was effectively an American, he should have gone for citizenship while he had the chance



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Adinnieken on 30 May 2012

Another option is to call the office of your US senator, or the Democratic US senator and ask if he could intervene on his behalf. They may be able to make a call that at least delays the deportation, if not overrides it.



Mistershine on 30 May 2012

He should come to the UK, over here the streets are paved with benefits and more second chances than you can shake a stick at. Being an EU citizen he's onto a winner.



Galaki on 30 May 2012

He sounds like trouble. Time for you to get a new gf.



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freebs2 on 30 May 2012
spurgeonryan said:
Just going to go over there and be a burden on the Italian government.

Lol, most likely the Italian government will be a burden for him too.

Anyway, if He's looking for some aid, he should search for the local catholic parish or some voluntary association (but I can't name any of those since generally they're local orgnizations).

Also he should get the citizenship first: http://www.interno.it/mininterno/export/sites/default/en/themes/immigration/Citizenship.html

Then (maybe) he should go to an immigration shop: http://www.interno.it/mininterno/export/sites/default/en/themes/immigration/On-stop-shops_immigration.html but to be honest I don't know...even if, in a pratical way, he is like an immigrant, legally he's probably considered an emigrant.

Also, have you any idea about where he's heading to? In which city?



superchunk on 30 May 2012

Create a change.org petition and see how it goes. Its worked for others... however, those others didn't have any criminal issues and were honor students or doing really well in college. You know productive members of society.

Sucks to see family lose like that, but as a cold bystander, I'd rather have people who don't want to help our society, leave it.