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WiiBox3 on 01 June 2012
TruckOSaurus said:
WiiBox3 said:
Runa216 said:
walsufnir said:
Runa216 said:
Final Fantasy VI is my favorite for many reasons:

1 - no central main character, almost ALL of them are deep and well developed.
2 - LOTS of different characters with distinct play styles, equipment loadouts, weapons, skills, etc
3 - Best villain in a game, ever
4 - LOADS of sidequests. in fact the entire second half of the game is nonlinear and optional
5 - Fantastic story with loads of twists and turns, reveals, and shifting allegiences.
6 - Maybe the best score in a FF game...but it's got some persistently good competition from many others

I just think it's so fresh compared to the others, with less linearity, optional characters/events, and oh my god Kefka is such a memorable villain. who cares if he's loosely based off The Joker, it's fantastic, maniacal, and successful! there were so many little nuances and quirks to the game (like killing doomtrain with a phoenix down) as well as high concepts like going into Cyan's mind to confront and defeat his demons. To this day I haven't unlocked everything or figured everything out.

yes, kefka was such a good villain :) but i cannot decide who "wins" for me - kefka or sephiroth.

but yes, VI was just perfect. there is not a simple thing that i dislike at VI. i would love to play it again with modern graphics and sound when  both can keep up the style and atmosphere from the original.

You know the funniest thing?  Final Fantasy VII is my second favorite FF game, yet I really don't like Sephiroth as a villain.  as I once read, Sephiroth is a neo-pagan environmentalist with an oedipus complex, delusions of grandeur, and a sweet wardrobe.  

Before he went crazy, he was interesting, but once he turns to the dark side, obsessed with Jenova and the rebirth of the planet and the ancients and stuff, well, he just became an empty shell of generic baddie that happened to LOOK cool. 

Kefka, on the other hand, poisons a town's water supply and laughs maniacally as each and every man, woman, and child falls down dead...and even kills his own troops if they get in his way.  

You know, now that I think about it, I actually think VI was the only FF with a truly menacing and memorable villain.  Sephiroth was as I said a neo-pagan with mommy issues, Ultimecia was barely in the game, etc.  Some of the other villains were good, but none were actually the final villains. Kuja was pretty good, but was being manipulated, Adel and Edea were again being manipulated by ultmecia, I don't even remember WHO was the boss in XII.  Jecht was cool, but again with Yu Yevon, I don't remember who the villain was in IV, Garland controlled by Chaos, etc...see what I mean?  They should really mix this up a bit! 

In retrospect, Sephiroth was easily the second best villain...

I would agree that Kefka was the best villian in the FF series. And I am glad for one that there was no voice acting in that game. His lack of voice was able to make our imaginations run wild. The only place in FF VI I always wished there was voice acting was the Opera sceen. The midi voice for Celes when she sings.

Also Kefka had an awesome theme.

 

How cool would it have been if this version was playing during the opera scene?


Yes Yes! That would have greatly improved that scene.



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TC_Squared on 01 June 2012

To be honest, I'm somewhat surprised this blog considers 1-10, and not 1-9. 10 even changed traditions quite a bit.



TC_Squared on 01 June 2012
Runa216 said:
walsufnir said:
Runa216 said:
Final Fantasy VI is my favorite for many reasons:

1 - no central main character, almost ALL of them are deep and well developed.
2 - LOTS of different characters with distinct play styles, equipment loadouts, weapons, skills, etc
3 - Best villain in a game, ever
4 - LOADS of sidequests. in fact the entire second half of the game is nonlinear and optional
5 - Fantastic story with loads of twists and turns, reveals, and shifting allegiences.
6 - Maybe the best score in a FF game...but it's got some persistently good competition from many others

I just think it's so fresh compared to the others, with less linearity, optional characters/events, and oh my god Kefka is such a memorable villain. who cares if he's loosely based off The Joker, it's fantastic, maniacal, and successful! there were so many little nuances and quirks to the game (like killing doomtrain with a phoenix down) as well as high concepts like going into Cyan's mind to confront and defeat his demons. To this day I haven't unlocked everything or figured everything out.

yes, kefka was such a good villain :) but i cannot decide who "wins" for me - kefka or sephiroth.

but yes, VI was just perfect. there is not a simple thing that i dislike at VI. i would love to play it again with modern graphics and sound when  both can keep up the style and atmosphere from the original.

You know the funniest thing?  Final Fantasy VII is my second favorite FF game, yet I really don't like Sephiroth as a villain.  as I once read, Sephiroth is a neo-pagan environmentalist with an oedipus complex, delusions of grandeur, and a sweet wardrobe.  

Before he went crazy, he was interesting, but once he turns to the dark side, obsessed with Jenova and the rebirth of the planet and the ancients and stuff, well, he just became an empty shell of generic baddie that happened to LOOK cool. 

Kefka, on the other hand, poisons a town's water supply and laughs maniacally as each and every man, woman, and child falls down dead...and even kills his own troops if they get in his way.  

You know, now that I think about it, I actually think VI was the only FF with a truly menacing and memorable villain.  Sephiroth was as I said a neo-pagan with mommy issues, Ultimecia was barely in the game, etc.  Some of the other villains were good, but none were actually the final villains. Kuja was pretty good, but was being manipulated, Adel and Edea were again being manipulated by ultmecia, I don't even remember WHO was the boss in XII.  Jecht was cool, but again with Yu Yevon, I don't remember who the villain was in IV, Garland controlled by Chaos, etc...see what I mean?  They should really mix this up a bit! 

In retrospect, Sephiroth was easily the second best villain...

For the longest time I thought that I was the only one who felt that way. Sephiroth is undoubtedly the coolest villain, but that doesn't automatically make him the "best". Even more, I found him far more interesting when he was a hero before he turned villain.



Runa216 on 01 June 2012
TruckOSaurus said:
@Runa: The vilain in IV was Zemus/Zeromus who was manipulating Golbez.


Right, I couldn't remember his name.  (I just played it a year ago, I should have known!) 



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Runa216 on 01 June 2012
TC_Squared said:

For the longest time I thought that I was the only one who felt that way. Sephiroth is undoubtedly the coolest villain, but that doesn't automatically make him the "best". Even more, I found him far more interesting when he was a hero before he turned villain.

You aren't the only one.  remember, the more popular something is, the higher the chances are that someone will hate it irrationally.  Final Fantasy VII is super duper popular, so by default there are millions of people who hate it just because.  shouldn't be hard to find someone who agrees that Sephiroth isn't that great of a villain.  



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Spazzy_D on 01 June 2012
TC_Squared said:
To be honest, I'm somewhat surprised this blog considers 1-10, and not 1-9. 10 even changed traditions quite a bit.


Time for me to admit something - I've only played 32 minutes of 10.  I know this becuase my old memory card tells me so, lol.  Anyway, I just couldn't get into it, the entire time I was playing it seemed like one giant cut scene, it was super linear and I felt no attachment to the characters.  I know I was only 32 minutes in, but I'm not one to put effort into something I don't enjoy.  Come to think of it, the PS2 might have been the system that killed my love for JRPGs..... (still enjoy a good one, though)



outlawauron on 01 June 2012
brendude13 said:
walsufnir said:

keeping in mind how old they are these 3 games have to considered as true art, especially in terms of storytelling and game-depth. the graphics look ugly now and the sound seems terrible, but, as mentioned above, the great opening scene in VI should appeal to any gamer.

perhaps i'm just too old :)

I'm playing VI now, I'm 6 hours in and I've lost interest in it, haven't touched it for a few months. If that opening scene was great, then maybe I'm not suited for this game.

Hopefully when I get further into the game I'll think it's better, and then I'll grow to appreciate the start.

Don't feel bad. I'm in the same boat. Haven't bothered with VI after I got bored of it a few hours in. I'm going to go back and finish it, but it didn't draw me in like nearly every other FF.



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TC_Squared on 01 June 2012
Runa216 said:
TC_Squared said:

For the longest time I thought that I was the only one who felt that way. Sephiroth is undoubtedly the coolest villain, but that doesn't automatically make him the "best". Even more, I found him far more interesting when he was a hero before he turned villain.

You aren't the only one.  remember, the more popular something is, the higher the chances are that someone will hate it irrationally.  Final Fantasy VII is super duper popular, so by default there are millions of people who hate it just because.  shouldn't be hard to find someone who agrees that Sephiroth isn't that great of a villain.  

Excellent point. Maybe I should say unbiasly agree with me, or something to that degree. I don't hate FFVII, or even Sephiroth for that matter. I just feel that Sephiroth is a somewhat overrated villain, as he is exceptionally high value in some areas, he is rather generic in others. He seemed so interesting and brilliant when Cloud was telling his past about Sephiroth, but when you confront him at Northern Crater (disk 2) he is a rather cliche villain. Ironically enough, they hit the nail on the head when they presented Sephiroth as a mysterious villain. You simply catch a glimpse of him walking away, then he's gone. It was when they directly exposed his character--him directly talking to Cloud as the villain--he was exposed rather generic. I liked Sephiroth much more early on when I knew less about him. Kefka on the other hand, the more I was exposed to him, the more I liked him--or perhaps loved to hate him.



TC_Squared on 01 June 2012
Spazzy_D said:
TC_Squared said:
To be honest, I'm somewhat surprised this blog considers 1-10, and not 1-9. 10 even changed traditions quite a bit.


Time for me to admit something - I've only played 32 minutes of 10.  I know this becuase my old memory card tells me so, lol.  Anyway, I just couldn't get into it, the entire time I was playing it seemed like one giant cut scene, it was super linear and I felt no attachment to the characters.  I know I was only 32 minutes in, but I'm not one to put effort into something I don't enjoy.  Come to think of it, the PS2 might have been the system that killed my love for JRPGs..... (still enjoy a good one, though)

If the first 32 minutes was too linear for you, you chose right not to continue. The first 32 minutes or so has the vast majority of plot twists for the first 2/3 of the game.

It's interesting that you say "the PS2 might have been the system that killed my love for JRPGs". That console did exceptionally well with every other type of game, but I too felt that JRPGs for that console were bland. I really miss the PS1 JRPG quality.



Runa216 on 01 June 2012
Spazzy_D said:
TC_Squared said:
To be honest, I'm somewhat surprised this blog considers 1-10, and not 1-9. 10 even changed traditions quite a bit.


Time for me to admit something - I've only played 32 minutes of 10.  I know this becuase my old memory card tells me so, lol.  Anyway, I just couldn't get into it, the entire time I was playing it seemed like one giant cut scene, it was super linear and I felt no attachment to the characters.  I know I was only 32 minutes in, but I'm not one to put effort into something I don't enjoy.  Come to think of it, the PS2 might have been the system that killed my love for JRPGs..... (still enjoy a good one, though)

Oh man, don't play XIII then!  



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