Two of the most beloved presidents that people love that I think are the worst are John F. Kennedy basically because he was corrupt, had mistresses, and basically escalated involvement in the Vietnam. Reagan spent so much on the military that he pretty much sent us into debt.

I've always read that Harding was the worst. Why is he on some of the lists for the best presidents ever? Did I miss something?

Also I read Grover Cleveland raped a woman.

You've never heard of the great depression of 1920 because it probably wasn't ever going to be a long term event. The causes and effects were never the same as the Great Depression or the Great Recession.

It was in fact mostly just a shift in the economy after the second world war.


Much like how the economic recovery now cannot be fully attributed to Obama, the economic recovery then cannot be fully attributed to Harding.

I thought Obama was pretty cool.

He did marry a woman many years younger than he (he met her because he was her father's law partner, and bought her her first cradle).

Grover Cleveland (allegedly) fathered a child outside of wedlock when he worked at a law firm, in between being the Sheriff and Mayor of Buffalo, NY.  Fully consentual with multiple witnesses (his friends) that knew he had a friends with benefits relationship with the woman.

Somehow, it was construded to rape. Very true the woman he married was much younger than he.

Worst: Ronald Reagan

+ Staunch environmentalist
- Massive deficit spending
- Staggering unemployment rates (10%+)
- One of the greatest sponsors of terrorism ever
- Support for NASA and commercial space exploration proved rhetorical
- Opposed segregation of Church and State
- Escalated the War on Drugs
- Counter productive Immigration Reform and Control Act

Such a mind blowingly, god awful president in almost every way imaginable. I was going to name Bill Clinton as the best but a bit of research has lessened my respect for him.

Another thread by an American that thinks the world revolves around The USA.

Other countries have Presidents too, you know.

Thread should be called "Best/Worst US presidents"

Big headed, arrogant yanks.

I'm certain SamuelRSmith is from the U.K, I'm pretty sure I remember him saying that he's at Kent University (I remember well as that was my reserve choice for uni).  He's just an Americanophile and knowledgable about US Politics and political history.  That's not to say the thread isn't misleading though