Walkthrublazer3 said:

1. Nintendo may have a lot of money in the bank, but compared to their competition it's lot a drop in the bucket. If the Wii-U does terrible and fails Nintendo's stock will plummet. Apple, Microsoft, or Sony could buy up Nintendo's stock and hostilily take over Nintendo. Nintendo's competitiors are massive multi-billion dollar companies, with a ton of power. Were talking some of the biggest businesses in the world! Nintendo despite being successful this last gen is no longer the king of gaming. Their kingdom has been usurped by much more powerful companies.Like it or not Sony, Microsoft, and Sony run the video game world now.

Wrong. Sony and Microsoft hardly run the game world compared to Nintendo.  The Wii proved that more than anything, despite its lacking 3rd party support.  Nintendo has proven that they can be successful by pretty much just relying on their 1st party games and IPs.  Microsoft and Sony could only dream of being able to do the same.  Furthermore, you greatly overestimate the amount of money that Sony has to throw around.  While they're not without their billions in the bank, they're also not without their debt, in which Nintendo has zero.

2. The core market has changed since the NES and SNES. I do agree that those were core games back in the day, but by todays standard they're more niche and only kept alive by nostalgic fans. I mean the core gamers of today are playing COD, Gears of War, Uncharted, Assasin's Creed, Bioshock, and GTA, they really don't care about games like Contra, Mega Man, Mortal Kombat, Castlevania, and the many others. Today those games are to Japanese and Anime and the only reason the media talks up those games is because of what I like to the "Grandfather effect' Where in the game used to be the cool thing and mainstream so its ok to still like it because it's old school.

Your point that the core titles that are popular today are different than in the past is irrelevant.  What you originally said was that Nintendo never had the core, which is incorrect as I pointed out.

Pretty much all Nintendo games are given this benefit. If the Legend of Zelda series never existed and Skyward Sword was the first Zelda game ever created it would have been torn up by the gaming media. The only reason Zelda can still be considered cool is because of it's past accomplishments. I mean do you really think any current day gamer would embrace this new series, where the main hero was a metro sexual looking guy who doesn't talk and lives in a fantasy world in the sky? The fact that skyward sword doesn't have any voice acting alone would make the game receive a ton of critism, but it doesn't because of it's lineage. The gaming media gives it a pass.

The game received plenty of criticism; it didn't get a free pass at all, so I don't know why you even mention this.  In the end, most people would agree that the game is good, even if not great, and there are plenty of reviews that reflect this.

3. Oh there were jocks, adults,and teens who played the SNES and Sega Genisis, The Playstation just brougth in a lot more of them and made them the focus of the Playstation. Due to the Playstations media capabilites with CD technoligies games could become more realistic and life like. The sports games changed from more arcadesy to more Simulation and trying to emulate real life. They're were now in game cutscenes and the games started to shift from a more cartoon/fantasy setting to a more realistic setting.

Pretty much what I already stated before:  The Playstation broadened the core.  But at least you now acknowledge that it wasn't just kids and nerds that played games before the playstation, which is absurd.

The PS sold over 100 Million units worldwide and the SNES only sold 49 million. The core market started to change when the PS was released and it marks the birth of the modern core gamer. So there were a lot of people who shunned those games "50 million" and to further prove my point just look at the N64's sales 32 million, So a lot of gamers left Nintendo during that time meaning that aprox 70 million gamers were more interested PS then the N64. Only Kids and Nintendo fans bought and played the N64 because the core market Sony created didn't want anything to do with them

Not sure what your point is here.  Nintendo made a lot of misteps with the N64?  I guess I agree.  Surely it's not that none of those Playstation owners were NES or SNES fans, because that would be incorrect.

4. I agree that there are some adults who aren't image conscious and love Nintendo games. Heck I'm 25 and my favorite series is the Legend of Zelda. Thing is a lot of Adults won't admit to playing Nintendo games unless they have an excuse. For example I Know a ton of adult gamers who justify playing Mario by stating things such as, I own a 360/PS3 but the Wii is for my GF/Wife/KIds so I like to play Mario games with them. You obviously play Bioshock and own either/or PS3 Xbox 360 so you can easily just say " I love Mario games but I also play Bioshock, GTA etc." Thus by saving face. An adult can watch cartoons as long as he/she also watches adult shows. The Adult who only watches cartoons and plays kiddy games like Mario is looked down upon by society.

I guess that's your view.  I love Bioshock because I think it's incredible.  I love Mario because, again, I think it's incredible.  I don't play Bioshock to compensate for my love of Mario, and there are plenty of people who have the same attitude.

5. That's the thing though. Nintendo can't rely on 3rd party support because they will simply ditch them when the next Xbox and PS4 come out. You said it yourself Nintendo hasn't had good reliable 3rd party support since the NES and SNES era. Nintendo at best will just get ports of 3rd party games and Microsoft and Sony will always get the better games. So it doesn't matter if GTA 5 will come to the Wii-U because it will be on the other consoles and the core gamers won't go out a buy a pathetic and gimmicky Nintendo system to play them.

... unless the WiiU is not perceived as "pathetic" or "gimmicky".  There is absolutely no way to determine what will happen as far as WiiU and 3rd party support.  The N64 was initially shunned because of the cartridge format, the Gamecube had nothing to set it apart from the monster that was the PS2, and the Wii couldn't handle cross-platform games.  The WiiU will be plenty powerful and incredibly easy to port to; not to mention that it is the first 8th gen console to hit the market.  So while it's by no means a sure thing for WiiU to get consistent 3rd party attention, saying that 3rd parties will ditch it the second the NeXtBox and PS4 arrive (both with a zero install base) is quite presumptuous on your part.  The one point I will wholeheartedly agree with is that Nintendo cannot rely on 3rd party support for success.

6. Yup Nintendo can only hope to get back those that they lost.

Again, this is presumptuous on your part.

7. I should have been more specific. The 3DS has been marketed toward the core crowd but has horribly failed. Oh it's been successful but that's thanks only to Nintendo's die hard fans, not the core crowd. Just look at Resident Evil Revelations it sold terribly here in the states and yet Operation Raccoon City sold much better then it. The core gamer hates Nintendo and RE Revelations in just one example of it. They would rather buy a terrible 3rd person shooter then game on an Nintendo console. Nintendo is a poisenous cancer ridden disease that has infected their gaming industry with stupid gimmicks, underpowered hardware, and motion controls. That's what the media and core gamers believe.

While there are people that think that, the market in general does not think of Nintendo in this way.  And no, most core gamers don't hate Nintendo, they just haven't had a reason in the last three generations to embrace them, as many of their preferred games weren't on Nintendo systems.  This is exactly what WiiU is trying to change.  And regarding your Resident Evil example, how do you explain the healthy sales that Resident Evil 4 enjoyed on both the Gamecube and the Wii?

8. Why are there so many Nintendo is Doomed articles and threads then? Are all these analyst and journalist really wrong or is there truth to what they say. Or we Nintendo fans just clinging on to a dream world and shunning reality?

Why were there so many articles before the Wii launched in which these same "analysts" insisted that Nintendo would be lucky to end up with 15% of the market?  I rest my case.

The gamers of today hate the Wii! Just look at how the gaming media treats it. If someone didn't know any better they would think that the Wii was a massive failure. This system has brought the core gamers nothing but anguish and pain. Their weren't gimmicky things like motion controls, touch screen gaming, and Kinect until Nintendo introduced the Wii.

Actually, Nintendo introduced touch-screen gaming two years before the Wii.  And as far as calling it a gimmick?  DS, 3DS, smart phones and tablets say, "Hi".

The Wii is the cause of all the problems for the core gamers. It has terrible hardware, horrific online and it's games are a joke. It's a childs toy, a soccer Mom's workout machine, and a Nintendo's fans nostalgic fueled, over milked franchise spewing machine that is enarmored with releasing another another Mairo and Zelda game. Nintendo is a poisen to the industry. A malignant cancer that must be stopped before it can grow and destroy any more of gaming.

Core games won't be fooled by Nintendo again, they won't pick up a Wii-U, they won't be suckered in by Nintendo again. They won't support Nintendo's radical departure from traditional gaming. The gaming media and community are fed up with Nintendo influencing and destroying their industry and eagerly await the rapidly approaching day that Nintendo admits defeat. The day when Reggie's body is not ready and Iwata has the bomb dropped on him!

It sounds like you have quite a bit of angst toward Nintendo yourself, unless you are just giving an example of what some people think.  If it's the former, I disagree with you.  If it's the latter, I would simply state that you don't give Nintendo or core gamers enough credit.  Remember, when I say core gamers I don't mean die-hard Microsoft and Sony fans or Nintendo haters.  There are plenty of core gamers out there willing to give WiiU a chance... so long as they deliver the goods.

3. That 95 Million consists of the Nintend Fans, Kids,  and casual market. Core gamers hate the Wii and either never bought one or brag about how they had one but got rid of it because it was a pathetic gimmicky babie's toy. Some people even smashed and burned their Wii's. This is why Nintendo simply cannot get the core crowd. If they want to survive they need to appeal to the fans, kids , and casuals.

4. The unfortunate thing is these type of adults along with teens make of the majority of core gamers. That's why the Wii is so hated, it's simply uncool to like the Wii.

5. Doesn't matter if they tried it or not, The core gamer will follow what the media says. Many core gamers hate the 3ds and state that the system is nothing but a babysitting tool with a lame 3D gimmick, that doesn't even allow for dual analog control without the use of a giant peripheral.

6. I agree. Which is why Nintendo needs to continue to market and go after that market instead of the core. If Nintendo doesn't capture the Wii crowd then you can expect to enjoy all your Nintendo games on the PS4.

7. Raccoon City was critically panned and yet sold leaps and bounds better. It's not apples and oranges. It's a rotten apple selling better then a juicy ripe apple. Revelations received excellent reviews and most people who played it loved. It was even praised as been a return to the horror roots the series was originally known for. Yet suddenly all those fans who were whining like a bunch of pretentious sops had the chance to buy this game they refused. Instead they buy the game that is the farthest thing from the series roots. Why is this? It's because they hate Nintendo's hardware. They refuse to believe that a good RE could be made on a pathetic little piece of 3D crap handheld. If the core gamer doesn't buy a good 3rd party title for the 3ds what makes anyone think that core gamers will buy a good 3rd party game on the Wii-U?

8. The core gamer hates Nintendo and everything they represent. They hate how Nintendo brought in a whole new demographic of gamers. What bugs them the most is that this new demographics don't like the games they like. Oh no they like Party games, just dance, and family games. Nintendo introduced this plague of social,motion controlled, touch screen , gimmicky, foul, underpowered, retro fueled, over milked, stupidly simply gaming that has rocked the foundations of the gaming world. The core will hate Nintendo until the day Reggie, Iwata, Miyamoto are defeated and must admit that they are the worst thing to happen to games ever.

they cant be worst than the other two. Sony is in all kinds of disarray, not expecting much from them, and im a fan. MS might show there new system but i doubt it or they could go Kinect again and that didnt do to well last year. Wii U will have actual games running on their system, so i for one im excited to see that.

1. Then why does the gaming media act like Microsoft and Sony do? Nintendo is in trouble right now. The 3DS is selling poorly in the West. The mobile gaming has eaten into their market and apple is looking to take over Nintendo by force. Of course Microsoft and Sony would love to claim Nintendo as their own. As we know Microsoft and Apple could easily buy Nintendo if the Wii-U fails. But don't count Sony out. Sony would love to get back at Nintendo for backstabbing them all those years ago. Sony isn't in as much trouble as some think.

Plus Sony has the money to do it. Would it be a crazy move? Heck yes, but were talking about the company that sacrificed a goat to promote God of War 2. Ken Kutaragi would love to take over Nintendo. It would be like sweet sweet payback.

2. You're correct I was mistaken. Nintendo did have the core market back then. But the core market has changed and is now hateful of Nintendo and it's pathetic games and hardware.

3. Sorry if I made it seem like only Nerds and Kids played games back then I apologize. But the expanded audience that sony created is now the core gamer and those gamers would only use the Wii a toilet.

4. I'm glad that you're a big enough man to proudly admit to having no shame in playing what like. Sadly the vast majority of core gamers are between the ages of 10 and 25 and those gamers are the ones who buy COD every year because it's the cool and manly thing to do. These core gamers would rather do anything then play the Wii or any Nintendo related toxin. To them it's a nightmare no human should experience.

5. It's simple really, The second the Nextbox and PS4 come out, the Wii-U wil be labeled as the kid's toy and that o the new microsoft and sony systems are the second coming of gaming messiahs and only the true gamers will play on these systems. The gamecube had the same fate, It was even more powerful then the PS2 but yet it was labeled as a stupid purple lunchbox that only stupid Mario Man children  and Zelda saps would play. Real gamers weren't playing the gamecube because it was not cooler then the x box and PS2.

6. Mark my words they'll be lucky if they can get even a fraction of the turncoats who left them.

7. The reason that RE 4 sold so well on the Wii was because it was released at the beginning of the Wii's lifespan. It wasn't until E3 2008 the infamous conference where Nintendo went all casual that the Core gamers started to really despise the Wii. Nintendo revealed a weak point and the media struck fast, hard, and relentlessly. Nintendo had abandonded the core gamer and only wanted to please mom, dad, and grandma. They were only interesed in useless gimmicks and stupid music games.By this time the 3rd part y support had crapped out on the Wii and they all went to support Sony and Microsoft.

If 3rd parties had actually released high quality games at the beginning of the Wii's lifespan then things could have turned out a lot differently. But they didn't and since 2008 the core gamers have come to despise the name Wii and Nintendo ever since. Resident Evil Revelations is a perfect example of this hate disdain. This was the game that the core resident evil fans had been waiting for but because it was on a Nintendo console it was not even worth looking at.

8. I don't have any faith in the core gamer. I think it's a waste of time, money, and resources for Nintendo to try and pursue this market. Nintendo proved with the Wii that they didn't need them, they should only try to get the tunrcoat Nintendo fans back. The core gamers will never like Nintendo and will simply just crap in their faces if Nintendo even tries to win them over. Nintendo has run its course they only bring destruction to games and are de-evovling the industry. No matter how impressive the Wii-U is core gamers will find some way to hate it, even if that reason is simply that it's made by Nintendo and Nintendo is the cause of all the worlds problems.

Really?  Sony's not in trouble right now... but Nintendo is?  Clearly you need to do some research on this subject.  Believe me, Sony is in no position to buy Nintendo.  And regarding Nintendo's "backstabbing" of Sony in the SNES era:  While I certainly don't think that Nintendo went about it in the right way, don't think that it was completely unjustified given the circumstances.  It took two to tango in that situation. 

The rest of your post is just you going in circles with the same disparaging remarks toward Nintendo, so my last post still stands as a suitable response.  The only part that puzzles me is whether you just believe that all core gamers think this way or if you yourself are conflicted and fall into this minority group of Nintendo haters that feel nothing but disdain toward the company.  Given that you seem to own a 3DS, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the former, but in any case, what you describe is not an accurate representation of core gamers... even if they're not particularly big Nintendo fans.  The only people who think this way are the true Nintendo haters, and to those few I say good riddance.  Nintendo certainly doesn't need their support to be hugely successful.

The gaming media won't let Sony fall! Sites like IGN just love them to much to let them fail. Plus the core gamer loves the PS brand. The PS brand is profitable and their recent troubles have been from their other divisions not their gaming divisions.

I don't hate Nintendo at all. The only current gen systems I own are a Wii and 3DS ( I used to own a 360 but I gave it to my brother ) I have no ill will towards Nintendo.In fact I used to be a giant Nintendo Fanboy ( During the PS 1-2 era I didn't own any of those systems and never even wanted to play them, I blindly stuck by Nintendo like a tool. )

Sadly I'm not anywhere as optomisstic as you. I have no faith in the core gamer at all. I don't think they like Nintendo at all and I believe that their disdain for them is massive. I predict that the Wii-U will suffer the same fate as the Wii. As successful system that is hated, mocked, and ridiculed by the core gamer. They will only buy the next Xbox and PS systems.

I actually do expect to see a lot from Sony this year, simply because they are in such financial problems that they will HAVE to impress not only the gamers, but also their investors. Sony needs to give them a lot of reasons to still invest in the company. So I'm actually excited for Sony's conference

Lol you mean this guy?

How can you not love him?!?  He was the star of the show IMHO... which pretty much sums up Nintendo's '08 conference lol.  Thank God we've been spared any more appearances by Cammy Dunaway and her cringe-worthy "demonstrations"... ugh, what was Nintendo smoking that year??

And nobody was worse than Mr. Caffeine from last year's show...

I cant wait to see what shennanigans E3 2012 has in store for us haha.

LOL @ Walkthrublazer3


"over milked franchise spewing machine that is enarmored with releasing another another Mairo and Zelda game."

so is the rest of the industry, at least Nintendo try to do changes to those games. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.


EA SPORTS = every year there is the same game (FIFA, MADDEN, GOLF, NEED FOR SPEED etc..) with MINOR changes. Sounds like a milked franchises to me.

SQUARE = what final fantasy are we up to now? each one only gets worst. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

ACTIVISION = call of duty games. Since modern warfare nothing much has changed in the franchise. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

SONY = Gran Turismo, guranteed to be on every Sony platform. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

MICROSOFT = Halo, another gurantee on each iteration of the xbox. Sounds like a milked franchise to me.

Even when all these franchise get milked to death doesn't mean people don't like the games. A franchise that is milked signifies that there is a big enough audience out there to continue producing the games. Lets face it, no developer will continue making more and more of the same game if each new iteration continues to loose them money.



"The gaming media won't let Sony fall! Sites like IGN just love them to much to let them fail. Plus the core gamer loves the PS brand."

IGN started out as a nintendo site. If SONY start delivering crap, they will shift their focus once again, perhaps to microsoft. There is no media loyalty to SONY.

As far as your view on WiiU's future, we'll just have to disagree.  What you predict is certainly possible, but I believe your conclusion is overly extreme.

Regarding Sony, however, what you are referring to is that they have finally begun to turn a yearly profit as of late from their game division.  So they're no longer losing money in their PS/Vaio division yearly, but they will never recoup the money they spent on the PS3 for the rest of this entire generation.  Almost all of the profits made from the PS1 and PS2 eras have been wiped out due to the PS3, with no chance of recovery.  And not IGN or any other gaming media source can change that or dictate their success in the future.  They've lost billions of dollars and the PS brand has lost a lot of marketshare to the Xbox brand this gen, particularly in America.