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Jay520 on 20 May 2012

Isn't SS selling faster than TP



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Cobretti2 on 20 May 2012
Jumpin said:
There's also a more obvious answer here. Nintendo's sequel's of their core franchises always sell about half as much as the first title. Even when the quality is unquestionably much better:

DKC sold 9.3 million, but the unquestionably superior DKC2 sold only 5.2 million
Mario Galaxy sold 10 million, but the unquestionably superior Mario Galaxy 2 sold only 6.7 million

This sort of trend goes on regardless.
Ocarina of Time sold 7.6 million, Majora's Mask sold 3.8 million.

This is just how things go.

This is exactly what I was going to post. It is a trend that is easy to spot. Nintendo themselves know it, hence they arn't panicing.

Intertesintg part is that SS is selling quicker than T, however I still believe it won't reach TP as  period it will be out will be much shorter.



 

 

oniyide on 20 May 2012
Jumpin said:
There's also a more obvious answer here. Nintendo's sequel's of their core franchises always sell about half as much as the first title. Even when the quality is unquestionably much better:

DKC sold 9.3 million, but the unquestionably superior DKC2 sold only 5.2 million
Mario Galaxy sold 10 million, but the unquestionably superior Mario Galaxy 2 sold only 6.7 million

This sort of trend goes on regardless.
Ocarina of Time sold 7.6 million, Majora's Mask sold 3.8 million.

This is just how things go.


this, but then the next question would be...why?? some other company games sequels do much better than the original



Jay520 on 20 May 2012
KylieDog said:
Because SS is a mediocore adventure game based heavily on gameplay from the 90s and with few changes and is then made worse by needless amount of motion control that create constant technical problems. You also needed fork out an extra £15 ona device just for the privilege of it breaking the controls.

Twilight Princess suffered the same problem with being based on 90s gameplay, but the 90s were much closer 6 years ago so the effect no as bad and it didn't throw motion controls where no needed or in a way that created technical problems.


lolno. SS is selling better than TP.

Jumpin on 20 May 2012

That is a good point, Skyward Sword is selling faster than Twilight Princess.

As to why the sequels of other companies do better than Nintendo released sequels; that's a good, I don't know. I am going to guess it has something to do with the amount of hype. Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country, and Twilight Princess were three of the most hyped games in Nintendo's history, but that wasn't true about any of the sequels.



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oniyide on 20 May 2012
Jumpin said:
That is a good point, Skyward Sword is selling faster than Twilight Princess.

As to why the sequels of other companies do better than Nintendo released sequels; that's a good, I don't know. I am going to guess it has something to do with the amount of hype. Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country, and Twilight Princess were three of the most hyped games in Nintendo's history, but that wasn't true about any of the sequels.

thats true, but how come the sequels dont get that much hype?? I look at stuff like Uhcarted and the 2nd game got a LOT of hype, which is amazing to me, because the original wasnt seen as all that. Hell even the third game if blowing past the other two and its not even as good as the 2nd IMHO. Maybe the general belief is that the Ninty sequels will be to similar?? I really dont know, its strange.



DanneSandin on 20 May 2012

But you guys gotta remember that SS isn't a sequal to TP! There's only been to direct sequals of LoZ on consoles: Zelda 2 and MM - SS is a stand alone. By that logic TP would be a sequal to WW - now explain that ;)



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oniyide on 20 May 2012
DanneSandin said:
But you guys gotta remember that SS isn't a sequal to TP! There's only been to direct sequals of LoZ on consoles: Zelda 2 and MM - SS is a stand alone. By that logic TP would be a sequal to WW - now explain that ;)


very well, but MM and Zelda 2 still didnt sell as much as their originals. Its not just the Zelda series either. The point was the sequels are follow up games never seem to pass the originals on a given console



DanneSandin on 20 May 2012
oniyide said:
DanneSandin said:
But you guys gotta remember that SS isn't a sequal to TP! There's only been to direct sequals of LoZ on consoles: Zelda 2 and MM - SS is a stand alone. By that logic TP would be a sequal to WW - now explain that ;)


very well, but MM and Zelda 2 still didnt sell as much as their originals. Its not just the Zelda series either. The point was the sequels are follow up games never seem to pass the originals on a given console

Well, aLttP didn't sell as well as the first Zelda game either, and neither did WW: both sold somewhere around 4-5 millions yes? If we take a look at sales this is what happens:

LoZ: Hit! (7miliion copies)

LoZ2: Flop (???)

aLttP: Flop (4-5m)

OoT: Hit (7m?)

MM: flop (3m?)

WW: Flop (4m?)

TP: Hit (6-7m)

SS: Flop (3m thus far)

There's your pattern. Hit, flop, flop, hit, flop, flop, Hit, flop, ??? Only every THIRD Zelda is apparently a hit....



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Pineapple on 20 May 2012
oniyide said:
Jumpin said:
That is a good point, Skyward Sword is selling faster than Twilight Princess.

As to why the sequels of other companies do better than Nintendo released sequels; that's a good, I don't know. I am going to guess it has something to do with the amount of hype. Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country, and Twilight Princess were three of the most hyped games in Nintendo's history, but that wasn't true about any of the sequels.

thats true, but how come the sequels dont get that much hype?? I look at stuff like Uhcarted and the 2nd game got a LOT of hype, which is amazing to me, because the original wasnt seen as all that. Hell even the third game if blowing past the other two and its not even as good as the 2nd IMHO. Maybe the general belief is that the Ninty sequels will be to similar?? I really dont know, its strange.


Nintendo games have a relatively odd pattern. When there's a sequel, it will, after a year or so on the market, sell less than the title it's sequelling. I'd imagine this is because when people hear word of mouth about Super Mario Galaxy 2, they'll go out and buy Super Mario Galaxy 1 in the shop, rather than buying the sequel first. This is possible because (nearly) all shops stock Nintendo games even years after release, which isn't true for other companies' games. This is very visible with Super Mario Galaxy, which is outselling its sequel roughly 2.5:1 so far in 2012.

So, essentially, the sequels don't sell as well on Nintendo systems because the predecessors steal chunks of their sales.  That's my guess, anyhow.