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Pineapple said:
Barozi said:
Well like Boutros said, take a way the bundles and you get a slightly better picture, though that doesn't change that the Nintendo games on Wii are massive.

Just saying that Nintendo probably got ~85m software sales just from bundles.


Their best move however was to bundle the Wii Wheel into Mario Kart. I bet without that it would've seen much, much less sales (and a lot more illegal downloads). Interesting what a cheap piece of plastic can do for your product.

Removing bundles doesn't actually change a ton. I presume you're only talking about official bundles, and not store bundles (removing store bundles would be relatively stupid, and also impossible to account for).

Anyway, removing bundles doesn't change up the list much. People are probably thinking mostly about the major Nintendo games for that, but that wouldn't be all that different. Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus are all either not bundled or would easily have made 20 million even if not bundled.

I'm not certain about New Super Mario Bros Wii. Unless I'm mistaken, it was first bundled when the red Wii came around (although I'm not sure about that), which was about a year after its launch. At this point, NSMB Wii had sold 16 million. It has since sold 9 more million, and we can't know how much of that is bundled. Still, it would most likely have been at around 20 million even if not bundled. In the 19-21 million range. Considering that it's still selling a bit, it would probably have sold more than 20 million eventually even if it hadn't by now.

And while nearly all of Wii Sports' sales were bundled, it is the game this generation. It's what made the Wii craze, and largely what decided the winner this generation. If you exclude all bundles, this one falls of the list, but I think removing it is just silly. It is - unbunbled - the 6th best selling console game of all time in Japan, and that's the region it made the smallest impact.

In other words, removing bundles drops between 0 and 2 of Nintendo's 20 million sellers depending on how you do it.  It doesn't change the 10 million sellers at all, as far as I can tell. The changes on the Ps3 are negligible, and on the X360 you might bump Kinect off the 10 millioner, but I'm not even sure about that. It's sold 17 million, and a very large portion of that time it largely outsold the X360, which means it's not mainly due to bundles.

I think that removing bundles causes bigger issues than it clarifies things, because little changes, and you end up saying the most important game of the generation sold 3.77 million.

 

On the Mario Kart point, I'm not sure the plastic bundle changed a lot. Mario Kart DS has no plastic wheel, and it sold well over 20 million, as is Mario Kart 7 looking to as well.

I know it doesn't change much.

A few things to note however:

- Wii Play sold so much because of the basically free Wii Remote that came with it. I very much doubt that it would've hit 20m without the remote.

- Not too sure about Resort either, but I didn't check when the bundling started, but AFAIK it was included in every Wii SKU for at least the last year (correct me if I'm wrong).

- I didn't remove the Wii Sports bundles from my calculations, but I used about the same ratio as it did in Japan. I mean you can see from other releases, that it's about right. Halo 3 hit 10m when the 360 hit 30m. MK Wii did about one third of the current Wii userbase. Kinect Sports (which was the best game at the Kinect launch) had a 33% ratio and now still 26%, so I'd say potential sales of Wii Sports should realistically be between 24m(25%) and 32m(33%). Remember that there is little reason to buy it when Resort came out.

- I've been looking at some charts from Spain (among others) in the past and Mario Kart Wii was the only Wii game in the top 25. Needless to say that Spain and some other countries are dominated by pirates, but since Mario Kart comes with something physical attached to it, there is more reason to buy the original. So at least in Europe and in the "Rest of the World" region it sold a few millions more than if Nintendo hadn't bundled the wheel with it.



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Pineapple said:
Barozi said:
Well like Boutros said, take a way the bundles and you get a slightly better picture, though that doesn't change that the Nintendo games on Wii are massive.

Just saying that Nintendo probably got ~85m software sales just from bundles.


Their best move however was to bundle the Wii Wheel into Mario Kart. I bet without that it would've seen much, much less sales (and a lot more illegal downloads). Interesting what a cheap piece of plastic can do for your product.

Removing bundles doesn't actually change a ton. I presume you're only talking about official bundles, and not store bundles (removing store bundles would be relatively stupid, and also impossible to account for).

Anyway, removing bundles doesn't change up the list much. People are probably thinking mostly about the major Nintendo games for that, but that wouldn't be all that different. Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus are all either not bundled or would easily have made 20 million even if not bundled.

I'm not certain about New Super Mario Bros Wii. Unless I'm mistaken, it was first bundled when the red Wii came around (although I'm not sure about that), which was about a year after its launch. At this point, NSMB Wii had sold 16 million. It has since sold 9 more million, and we can't know how much of that is bundled. Still, it would most likely have been at around 20 million even if not bundled. In the 19-21 million range. Considering that it's still selling a bit, it would probably have sold more than 20 million eventually even if it hadn't by now.

And while nearly all of Wii Sports' sales were bundled, it is the game this generation. It's what made the Wii craze, and largely what decided the winner this generation. If you exclude all bundles, this one falls of the list, but I think removing it is just silly. It is - unbunbled - the 6th best selling console game of all time in Japan, and that's the region it made the smallest impact.

In other words, removing bundles drops between 0 and 2 of Nintendo's 20 million sellers depending on how you do it.  It doesn't change the 10 million sellers at all, as far as I can tell. The changes on the Ps3 are negligible, and on the X360 you might bump Kinect off the 10 millioner, but I'm not even sure about that. It's sold 17 million, and a very large portion of that time it largely outsold the X360, which means it's not mainly due to bundles.

I think that removing bundles causes bigger issues than it clarifies things, because little changes, and you end up saying the most important game of the generation sold 3.77 million.

 

On the Mario Kart point, I'm not sure the plastic bundle changed a lot. Mario Kart DS has no plastic wheel, and it sold well over 20 million, as is Mario Kart 7 looking to as well.

Bundles can also affect the sales of a game in a way that prevents it from getting up on this site.

Games like Halo 3, Halo: Reach and Alan Wake were all bundled with the 360 in a digital form so we don't track these here. But those people who bought that 360 perhaps would have bought the games at retail and thus the sales of those games appear diminished.

It's simply something to take into consideration. Bundles screw up everything :/

 

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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
DanneSandin said:
What I wanna see is how many games were released to each console and how many millions all games combined sold on each system - that way we'd get a sort of average...


Number of games

- Wii: 2,695

- Xbox 360: 3,252

- PS3: 2,624

 

Software sold

- Wii: 786 million

- Xbox 360: 632 million

- PS3: 543 million

 

Source: VGChartz

If you took these numbers out of context (which I am about to do :P) one could argue that every game that came out for the Wii almost sold 300k copies (786m/2695=290k-something), and every game ever sold for the PS3 sold slightly above 200k (same mathematics here as with the Wii!) and Xbox360 sold less copies per game: slightly below 200k (still, with the same math..)



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DanneSandin said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
DanneSandin said:
What I wanna see is how many games were released to each console and how many millions all games combined sold on each system - that way we'd get a sort of average...


Number of games

- Wii: 2,695

- Xbox 360: 3,252

- PS3: 2,624

 

Software sold

- Wii: 786 million

- Xbox 360: 632 million

- PS3: 543 million

 

Source: VGChartz

If you took these numbers out of context (which I am about to do :P) one could argue that every game that came out for the Wii almost sold 300k copies (786m/2695=290k-something), and every game ever sold for the PS3 sold slightly above 200k (same mathematics here as with the Wii!) and Xbox360 sold less copies per game: slightly below 200k (still, with the same math..)

Yeah I wouldn't make any calculations based on these game numbers.

I just saw that our database now counts digital games towards its respective platform. So 3,252 retail, XBL indie, XBL arcade games and even DLCs ! (and still missing a lot)


Overall the Wii should have far more retail games than the 360.


EDIT: Here the numbers from the gamrReview database, which should be far more accurate:

360 - 1,297
PS3 - 1,186
Wii - 1,565

Please note that this database also includes upcoming, rumored and cancelled games.



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Barozi said:
DanneSandin said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
DanneSandin said:
What I wanna see is how many games were released to each console and how many millions all games combined sold on each system - that way we'd get a sort of average...


Number of games

- Wii: 2,695

- Xbox 360: 3,252

- PS3: 2,624

 

Software sold

- Wii: 786 million

- Xbox 360: 632 million

- PS3: 543 million

 

Source: VGChartz

If you took these numbers out of context (which I am about to do :P) one could argue that every game that came out for the Wii almost sold 300k copies (786m/2695=290k-something), and every game ever sold for the PS3 sold slightly above 200k (same mathematics here as with the Wii!) and Xbox360 sold less copies per game: slightly below 200k (still, with the same math..)

Yeah I wouldn't make any calculations based on these game numbers.

I just saw that our database now counts digital games towards its respective platform. So 3,252 retail, XBL indie, XBL arcade games and even DLCs ! (and still missing a lot)


Overall the Wii should have far more retail games than the 360.


Yeah, I wasn't serious with those numbers :) I only meant to show how you can dissort numbers by putting them out of context: according to my "calculations" the Wii had the fewest shovel ware this gen :p and we all know that ain't true ^^



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Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

I actually just tried to filter out the games that aren't released yet. That leaves us with approx.

360 - 1085
PS3 - 935
Wii - 1460



Barozi said:
I actually just tried to filter out the games that aren't released yet. That leaves us with approx.

360 - 1085
PS3 - 935
Wii - 1460

Using these numbers every game sold on the Wii would have sold 538k, the PS3 games would have sold... 580k copies of every game, and the 360 would have sold... 582k (!) copies of every game! :-O



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


Fun (and tragic) fact: Remove all Call of Duty titles and you'll see that the best selling PS3 game (GTA IV) was the only title to break 9 million, followed by GT5 at 7,5.

Yes, it really is tragic that over 10 million people have found an FPS that they enjoy.



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DanneSandin said:
Barozi said:
I actually just tried to filter out the games that aren't released yet. That leaves us with approx.

360 - 1085
PS3 - 935
Wii - 1460

Using these numbers every game sold on the Wii would have sold 538k, the PS3 games would have sold... 580k copies of every game, and the 360 would have sold... 582k (!) copies of every game! :-O


yeah better but still a bit flawed. But as I said, far more accurate than the previous numbers.

But I'm not sure what kind of information you hope to find. Attach ratio is a bit more important and also more accurate.:

360 - 9.46
PS3 - 8.43
Wii - 8.21