Has kinect adventures beaten Halo 3?

BTW nice Xbox figures. Impressive actually.

So you already removed NSMBWii and then there's Wii Play.

So other consoles also had tons of bundled games yet ZERO over 20 million.

Wii had 7 games over 20 million and in reality, one game bundled for the greater majority of its life and two other games bundled for about a year each. Yet, somehow its not impressive? When at least 4 of those games did that easily without any form of bundling and one was more expensive than any other base game out this gen except others that included game specific hardware. That's also not considering the 10m to 19m sellers where Wii also dominated.

I think the point is pretty clear and trying to down grade Nintendo with "arggh its bundled... blargity" is just petty.

Er what?

I simply said "Let's take away bundles now!". Where did I mention Nintendo? You're the one who bringed it. You're implying things I never said.

I don't see what's wrong with thinking that it would be interesting to have sales of games without bundles and that's all I implied.

Don't get so defensive o.o

sorry. :( Guess I read way too much into it.

Yeah, it would be interesting to see the whole list without bundles.

A far more work intensive process.

What I wanna see is how many games were released to each console and how many millions all games combined sold on each system - that way we'd get a sort of average...

Number of games

- Wii: 2,695

- Xbox 360: 3,252

- PS3: 2,624

Software sold

- Wii: 786 million

- Xbox 360: 632 million

- PS3: 543 million

Source: VGChartz

Well like Boutros said, take a way the bundles and you get a slightly better picture, though that doesn't change that the Nintendo games on Wii are massive.

Just saying that Nintendo probably got ~85m software sales just from bundles.


Their best move however was to bundle the Wii Wheel into Mario Kart. I bet without that it would've seen much, much less sales (and a lot more illegal downloads). Interesting what a cheap piece of plastic can do for your product.

INTERESTING.

Removing bundles doesn't actually change a ton. I presume you're only talking about official bundles, and not store bundles (removing store bundles would be relatively stupid, and also impossible to account for).

Anyway, removing bundles doesn't change up the list much. People are probably thinking mostly about the major Nintendo games for that, but that wouldn't be all that different. Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus are all either not bundled or would easily have made 20 million even if not bundled.

I'm not certain about New Super Mario Bros Wii. Unless I'm mistaken, it was first bundled when the red Wii came around (although I'm not sure about that), which was about a year after its launch. At this point, NSMB Wii had sold 16 million. It has since sold 9 more million, and we can't know how much of that is bundled. Still, it would most likely have been at around 20 million even if not bundled. In the 19-21 million range. Considering that it's still selling a bit, it would probably have sold more than 20 million eventually even if it hadn't by now.

And while nearly all of Wii Sports' sales were bundled, it is the game this generation. It's what made the Wii craze, and largely what decided the winner this generation. If you exclude all bundles, this one falls of the list, but I think removing it is just silly. It is - unbunbled - the 6th best selling console game of all time in Japan, and that's the region it made the smallest impact.

In other words, removing bundles drops between 0 and 2 of Nintendo's 20 million sellers depending on how you do it.  It doesn't change the 10 million sellers at all, as far as I can tell. The changes on the Ps3 are negligible, and on the X360 you might bump Kinect off the 10 millioner, but I'm not even sure about that. It's sold 17 million, and a very large portion of that time it largely outsold the X360, which means it's not mainly due to bundles.

I think that removing bundles causes bigger issues than it clarifies things, because little changes, and you end up saying the most important game of the generation sold 3.77 million.

On the Mario Kart point, I'm not sure the plastic bundle changed a lot. Mario Kart DS has no plastic wheel, and it sold well over 20 million, as is Mario Kart 7 looking to as well.