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outlawauron on 08 May 2012
Wagram said:
outlawauron said:

How is that particularly relevant? DQX's budget is surely larger than DQIX and won't even come close to matching. How is that a wise business decision? (keep in mind, it's not the fact that it's on the Wii but rather the gameplay choices and changes they're making to the static series)

If DQX is a success, they have subscription fees to generate revenue. Final Fantasy XI didn't sell millions of copies, but yet all those subs generated more revenue for Square than any other FF title. It's a smart business decision, especially considering this game isn't really aimed at the west either. Japan is going to eat this up.

You keep using revenue, and I'm not disputing the amount of revenue. I think it will do well there, but it's net will be far lower. Honestly, Japan has never really picked a console MMO and supported to mass success. I don't think DQ9 will do much more than FFXI which is a success but only relative to itself. If DQ9 did similar numbers, it would be a massive disappointment especially as the series has been in a upward trend.

Look at FF13, sure it didn't just completely flop but it certainly wasn't an outrageous success. On top of the lost customers as DQ9 will piss off the majority of the DQ fanbase.



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Wagram on 08 May 2012
outlawauron said:
Wagram said:
outlawauron said:
 

How is that particularly relevant? DQX's budget is surely larger than DQIX and won't even come close to matching. How is that a wise business decision? (keep in mind, it's not the fact that it's on the Wii but rather the gameplay choices and changes they're making to the static series)

If DQX is a success, they have subscription fees to generate revenue. Final Fantasy XI didn't sell millions of copies, but yet all those subs generated more revenue for Square than any other FF title. It's a smart business decision, especially considering this game isn't really aimed at the west either. Japan is going to eat this up.

You keep using revenue, and I'm not disputing the amount of revenue. I think it will do well there, but it's net will be far lower. Honestly, Japan has never really picked a console MMO and supported to mass success. I don't think DQ9 will do much more than FFXI which is a success but only relative to itself. If DQ9 did similar numbers, it would be a massive disappointment especially as the series has been in a upward trend.

Look at FF13, sure it didn't just completely flop but it certainly wasn't an outrageous success. On top of the lost customers as DQ9 will piss off the majority of the DQ fanbase.


Final Fantasy XI was supported heavily by Japan, and it still is to this day. A majority of them are console players which is why SE has stated that they can't really do any graphic upgrades on the game due to the hardware limitations at this point.



Deoz on 08 May 2012

Im not surprised, the game is in development hell



outlawauron on 08 May 2012
Wagram said:
outlawauron said:
Wagram said:
outlawauron said:
 

How is that particularly relevant? DQX's budget is surely larger than DQIX and won't even come close to matching. How is that a wise business decision? (keep in mind, it's not the fact that it's on the Wii but rather the gameplay choices and changes they're making to the static series)

If DQX is a success, they have subscription fees to generate revenue. Final Fantasy XI didn't sell millions of copies, but yet all those subs generated more revenue for Square than any other FF title. It's a smart business decision, especially considering this game isn't really aimed at the west either. Japan is going to eat this up.

You keep using revenue, and I'm not disputing the amount of revenue. I think it will do well there, but it's net will be far lower. Honestly, Japan has never really picked a console MMO and supported to mass success. I don't think DQ9 will do much more than FFXI which is a success but only relative to itself. If DQ9 did similar numbers, it would be a massive disappointment especially as the series has been in a upward trend.

Look at FF13, sure it didn't just completely flop but it certainly wasn't an outrageous success. On top of the lost customers as DQ9 will piss off the majority of the DQ fanbase.


Final Fantasy XI was supported heavily by Japan, and it still is to this day. A majority of them are console players which is why SE has stated that they can't really do any graphic upgrades on the game due to the hardware limitations at this point.

Our definitions here are quite different. While having 100,000 subscribers worldwide is stil quite the feat for FFXI, there's even a smaller number using console versions. Even smaller number of those console users are Japanese. That's hardly heavily support, and it will need to do a whole lot better than FFXI ever did. Especially as the costs of developing DQX.

Anywho, this has gone way off topic. :D



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Wagram on 08 May 2012
outlawauron said:
Wagram said:
outlawauron said:
Wagram said:
outlawauron said:
 

How is that particularly relevant? DQX's budget is surely larger than DQIX and won't even come close to matching. How is that a wise business decision? (keep in mind, it's not the fact that it's on the Wii but rather the gameplay choices and changes they're making to the static series)

If DQX is a success, they have subscription fees to generate revenue. Final Fantasy XI didn't sell millions of copies, but yet all those subs generated more revenue for Square than any other FF title. It's a smart business decision, especially considering this game isn't really aimed at the west either. Japan is going to eat this up.

You keep using revenue, and I'm not disputing the amount of revenue. I think it will do well there, but it's net will be far lower. Honestly, Japan has never really picked a console MMO and supported to mass success. I don't think DQ9 will do much more than FFXI which is a success but only relative to itself. If DQ9 did similar numbers, it would be a massive disappointment especially as the series has been in a upward trend.

Look at FF13, sure it didn't just completely flop but it certainly wasn't an outrageous success. On top of the lost customers as DQ9 will piss off the majority of the DQ fanbase.


Final Fantasy XI was supported heavily by Japan, and it still is to this day. A majority of them are console players which is why SE has stated that they can't really do any graphic upgrades on the game due to the hardware limitations at this point.

Our definitions here are quite different. While having 100,000 subscribers worldwide is stil quite the feat for FFXI, there's even a smaller number using console versions. Even smaller number of those console users are Japanese. That's hardly heavily support, and it will need to do a whole lot better than FFXI ever did. Especially as the costs of developing DQX.

Anywho, this has gone way off topic. :D

Of course now the game isn't as supported as it was say 5 years ago, but we have to remember that FFXI is about 10 years old now. Also due to Final Fantasy XIV, the production for new FFXI expansions has basically stopped. Many moons ago they had over 1 million subs, and at $12.95 per month thats a ton of money. That's not even factoring in token sales, expansion sales, product keys, extra characters and more. I do agree that since DQX is only on a console at this point that it will not be as successful as XI was, but I still do believe it has the potential to be a mega hit in terms of revenue for the company.



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VXIII on 08 May 2012

This doesn't confirm anything.

My source says that SE are planning to re-announce the game as Final Fantasy XV at E3.



Pavolink on 08 May 2012
VXIII said:
This doesn't confirm anything.

My source says that SE are planning to re-announce the game as Final Fantasy XV at E3.

Do your source says if will remain exclusive?



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blue7x7 on 08 May 2012

lol why is anyone still expecting this game anymore they probably canceled it and if they didn't they should just rename it Final Fantasy 15, make it multiplatform, and release it for next gen consoles.



Sal.Paradise on 08 May 2012
Pavolink said:
VXIII said:
This doesn't confirm anything.

My source says that SE are planning to re-announce the game as Final Fantasy XV at E3.

Do your source says if will remain exclusive?

My source says his source is like, the worst. 



Pavolink on 08 May 2012
Sal.Paradise said:

My source says his source is like, the worst. 

Is it IGN?



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