By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General Discussion - Why Ricky Gervais is an atheist

Mummelmann said:
mrstickball said:


I was merely presenting part of the other side of the argument. I know what I say isn't going to likely sway anyone, but given that most religion threads are "Bash the Christian believers because they are irrational and illogical", my thought was that it needed defended at least once in some way. My whole argument centered around empiricism. If you must have absolute proof before you give any faith, you're going to likely never find God. If you give any faith, you're going to find absolute proof, I believe. And thats the ultimate point of debate, IMO.


That is something where we all have to fundamentally agree, such is the nature of faith. I really do appreciate the input, too many people write with fire and brimstone and simply condemn other views and impose their own.

I think what I'm trying to say is; a lot of people have found their faith but I probably never will.


The most important thing everyone can do is keep an open mind about God, or the non-existence of God. When one becomes too closed minded about such things, it leads not to debate, but arguments, and hatred instead of civil discussion.. Which is something neither the religious or irreligious need.

My honest, full-hearted belief, though, is that if you seek you may very well find something you need, but may not be looking for.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Around the Network
TheProphet said:
 As to creation, the Bible does not give a date. Some people have tried to use the Bible to make that calculation many years ago. However, nowhere does the Bible say just how long ago. The Bible does say emphatically that God created the universe. NASA has discovered the age of the universe. It has a beginning, therefore it was created. If you believe that the universe created itself out of nothing then you are taking an enormous leap of faith. Something does not come from nothing. Where did all the matter come from?" An where did intelligence come from? There is no law of physics that says that life, and especial intelligence, will come into being. That's like saying that there is a law of nature that turns rocks into brains. It is false. There is no such law.

Who created god? Did god create themself out of nothing?

I don't see how saying "god has existed since the beginning of time; there was nothing before god" makes any more sense than saying "the universe has existed since the beginning of time; there was nothing before the universe."



TheProphet said:
The reason Ricky Gervais is an atheist is because he hasn't really bothered to think about it, or being in the entertainment industry he is selling himself to the atheists who control the entertainment industry.

First the intellectual argument. There is plenty of evidence for God in science. One only has to look and think for themselves. The universe has a beginning. It was created. That agrees with the Bible that was written thousands of years ago. Life is really complicated. The chance of life resulting from random mutations is so low it is ludicrous. The only intelligent explanation is that there is a very intelligence creator. The alternative is to believe that everything came from nothing. Since that never happens it is a very poor explanation. So Ricky Garvais is dead wrong when he thinks that science does not support a belief in God. I know some scientist believe this, but they are a small group of irrational people. Most intelligent people believe in God. The argument for atheism from science is not credible.

It is more likely that being in the entertainment business, he is just trying to win favour with the people who call the shots. It is well know that entertainment industry is obsessed with sex and therefore has a conflict with the church. Gervias is most likely just shilling for work when he claims to be an athiest. By pleasing his atheist bosses he is more likely to get the work and fame he so strongly desires.


Oh wow, you opened yourself RIGHT up for inflammatory remarks.  

1 - first of all the lengthy, rational, and logical explanation as to why he is an atheist proves that even if he's stupid, he put a LOT of thought into it. 

2 - No, there isn't.  No it doesn't.  No, no no.  There's NO evidence for God in science, just unanswered questions.  If you admit that "god' as a concept is simply a metaphor for the unknown, sure, I'll accept that, but there's no supporting evidence that there's a higher divine being responsivle for the creation and direction of the universe.  

3 - Yes life is a long shot, but life CAN spring from non-life, scientists have actually recreated albiogenesis in a lab (the process needed to take proteins and acids that are NOT life...and make life.)  When you consider the vastness of space, the frequency of chemical reactions, and the elements on earth, even an infinitesimal chance of albiogenesis is a chance, and is going to happen eventually. 

4 - "There is a creator" is NOT an intelligent conclusion, it's a leap of faith, and leaps of faith have no place in science.  

5 - Nobody's saying everything came from nothing; actually READ some of the works of Stephen Hawking and other astrophysicists rather than just assuming the most simplistic and ignorant answer.  This is a logical fallacy known as the strawman, look it up.  

6 - Most intelligent people believe in god?  actually, I remember a pretty thorough report a few years back about how the top 1% of  the world's most intelligent people were almost entirely atheist.  your assumption is a blanket "we're smarter than you" argument.  Sir, citation needed.  

7 - This last paragraph of yours is just ignorant.  First of all, as blacksaber mentioned, Jews run the entertainment business (whether it's a joke or real, it's still the stereotype), and since America is the entertainment capital of he world, and America is a VERY religious place...well, your argument falls flat in every direction. 

Sorry, you fail. 



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

If you guys enjoyed reading that, then you'll love this page.

"Why I'm Agnostic" by Steven Mathies

It's a very interesting, reasonable, and articulate piece. Everyone should give it a read. Even if you speed read it, so be it. Though, you're bound to read one or two sentences that'll encourage you to read the entire piece.

Here's an exerpt that I thought expressed my own ideas better than I could ever imagine.

"...a God who could make good children as easily a bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!"

Full page: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/testimonials/matthies.html

One thing I thought was interesting was how he "tried" to believe in god, but could not. I really hope you guys give it a read.



TheProphet said:
To those of you who don't know any history, or understand the way a modern secular society works let me explain. Yes the people in control of the mainstream entertainment industry are not followers of the Bible. I think any reasonable person would agree to that. Since most of you don't know what's in the Bible let me explain. The Bible preaches monogamy. Do you know what that means? That means no sex outside marriage, Now I know you are familiar with modern movies. How many of them show sex only after marriage. As a percentage, I would estimate about zero. So no, the people who make movies do not follow the Bible. That is quite clear from their track record. It is a verifiable fact.

As to creation, the Bible does not give a date. Some people have tried to use the Bible to make that calculation many years ago. However, nowhere does the Bible say just how long ago. The Bible does say emphatically that God created the universe. NASA has discovered the age of the universe. It has a beginning, therefore it was created. If you believe that the universe created itself out of nothing then you are taking an enormous leap of faith. Something does not come from nothing. Where did all the matter come from?" An where did intelligence come from? There is no law of physics that says that life, and especial intelligence, will come into being. That's like saying that there is a law of nature that turns rocks into brains. It is false. There is no such law.

btw, 'Are you for real' is not a very convincing argument.

As to creation

Monogamy means a relationship where a person only has one spouse at a given time. It does not imply marriage or even that the two participants are of the opposite gender.

Not following the text of the bible in a literal sense does not mean people are not Christians - let along making them atheists.

Causality and the conservation of energy are two properties of the universe. There is nothing in science to imply that they exist outside of the universe and therefore there is nothing that implies that the beginning of the universe was governed by them. As such science does not currently show where or how matter or the universe came from - it also does not imply it had a creator.

Where life came from is quite a seperate field of study from where intelligence originated. The study of the origin of life is the study of abiogenesis, there's some very interesting work in the field showing how the basic compounds necessary for life (in an very simple form) to spontaneously form were likely in existence. As for intelligence - the theory of evolution (especially through natural selection) shows how that could have eventually formed.



Around the Network
Scoobes said:
Mummelmann said:
TheProphet said:
The reason Ricky Gervais is an atheist is because he hasn't really bothered to think about it, or being in the entertainment industry he is selling himself to the atheists who control the entertainment industry.

First the intellectual argument. There is plenty of evidence for God in science. One only has to look and think for themselves. The universe has a beginning. It was created. That agrees with the Bible that was written thousands of years ago. Life is really complicated. The chance of life resulting from random mutations is so low it is ludicrous. The only intelligent explanation is that there is a very intelligence creator. The alternative is to believe that everything came from nothing. Since that never happens it is a very poor explanation. So Ricky Garvais is dead wrong when he thinks that science does not support a belief in God. I know some scientist believe this, but they are a small group of irrational people. Most intelligent people believe in God. The argument for atheism from science is not credible.

It is more likely that being in the entertainment business, he is just trying to win favour with the people who call the shots. It is well know that entertainment industry is obsessed with sex and therefore has a conflict with the church. Gervias is most likely just shilling for work when he claims to be an athiest. By pleasing his atheist bosses he is more likely to get the work and fame he so strongly desires.

Are you for real? I hope not.

New user; first post... I'm guessing not.

well, if i look at the people who are banned right now, i do have a theory



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

pezus said:
fillet said:

Being Christian isn't just about believing in a god. It's a small part. It gives you a moral compass and makes being good easier because there's someone helping you along the way. I personally don't believe in a god as such but there's some good lessons to be learned by combining christian teachings with common sense and adapting it to a spiritual progression as you go through life. Spiritual = NOT religious in the classical media impossed version of "religion".

 

Ricky simplifies it way too much, but if it works for him then that's great. If you want to do the best and do it the easiest way it's worth looking into some philosophy based christan books, you don't have to believe in god to get a lot from them and actually understand that the negative press about Christianity is not the true core of it, it's simply what the vast majority follow. You know, the useless old farts who go on a sunday when they retire, THAT is not religion and they are a stain on the whole idea.

 

Don't even get me started on islam. That's simply disgusting and abhorent in nearly all ways, from it's core to it's people. I'm not just being racist, after doing a fair bit of reading on it. It's a religion that is doomed to destruction by it's own doing.

 

Crikey I sound religious and I'm 100% not though.

IMO that is double-standards...

True, but what's wrong with double standards, in this context at least. I've had a go at Christianity too. Buddhism (bad spelling I'm sure), would be most appropriate for the common person wishing to lead a "good" life I spose, I haven't researched it enough and live in the UK not many people who can share their untarnished insight here.



bluesinG said:
TheProphet said:
 As to creation, the Bible does not give a date. Some people have tried to use the Bible to make that calculation many years ago. However, nowhere does the Bible say just how long ago. The Bible does say emphatically that God created the universe. NASA has discovered the age of the universe. It has a beginning, therefore it was created. If you believe that the universe created itself out of nothing then you are taking an enormous leap of faith. Something does not come from nothing. Where did all the matter come from?" An where did intelligence come from? There is no law of physics that says that life, and especial intelligence, will come into being. That's like saying that there is a law of nature that turns rocks into brains. It is false. There is no such law.

Who created god? Did god create themself out of nothing?

I don't see how saying "god has existed since the beginning of time; there was nothing before god" makes any more sense than saying "the universe has existed since the beginning of time; there was nothing before the universe."

fyi, time was created with the universe. This was discovered by our smartest scientists. God did not exist from the beginning of time. God existed BEFORE time. The universe is about 14 billion years old according to NASA. Time was created with the matter of the universe. Since God can create time and matter God must be able to control time. The only way to control time is to be immune to it. i.e. (that is) God is timeless, immortal, always was. Therefore God was not created, but is immortal. This Biblical description of God is in perfect harmony with our most advanced science. For people who believe in God, which is over ninety percent of the world, we have no conflict between science and our believe in God. 



And again, I am reminded of this question: Why should I care what Rick Gervais believes or doesn't believe? This would go for most celebrities actually. If you can end up on TMZ, why does what you think matter on areas that are out of your realm of expertise? And if it is said that it is up to the believer to show why they believe, then in keeping with that, I would count arguments by non-believers to be useless, because they don't add anything really. They do nothing to end up showing anything to my satisfaction. It is said you can't really disprove anything absolutely does not exist in this entire universe, so to go hard core that was is absurd.



richardhutnik said:
And again, I am reminded of this question: Why should I care what Rick Gervais believes or doesn't believe? This would go for most celebrities actually. If you can end up on TMZ, why does what you think matter on areas that are out of your realm of expertise? And if it is said that it is up to the believer to show why they believe, then in keeping with that, I would count arguments by non-believers to be useless, because they don't add anything really. They do nothing to end up showing anything to my satisfaction. It is said you can't really disprove anything absolutely does not exist in this entire universe, so to go hard core that was is absurd.


Then ignore that it's Ricky Gervais and just read it as a properly interesting, clever, funny and elequent article on religious belief.