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kitler53 said:
Viper1 said:

Keep looking.  Also, don't look to NOA if you're looking for Iwata statements.

How about a better means of considering it?  If each console can have multiple user accounts, why would they tie the software to the console?  It wouldn't make sense to have multiple user accounts if the software is hardware locked instead of account locked. 

i'm not saying it is. i'm not saying it isn't.  i'm saying i can't find the statement you seem so sure is true.  so source it or it didn't happen.  this feels an aweful lot like when reggie said wii U is "can output 1080p"  and then everyone here startede saying 1080 60fps is a wii U standard.  you're hearing what you want to hear not what was said near as i can tell. 

Let's start with the Wii U being capable of multiple user accounts.

"Also for the Wii U, we are planning to introduce a personal account system compatible with Nintendo Network. With this, for example, the ease of using a video game system when the hardware is shared by multiple family members...."

So you have your multiple user accounts per console right there.  Now as I mentioned before, would it make sense to have multiple user accounts per console and then still tie the software to the hardware?  

Further, when you buy a game from the eShop, do you think the eShop will reconize the console or the user account?      Let's not forget that Nintendo is linking the eShop with your Club Nintendo account.  They do this on 3DS already but as we know, that's tied to a console because it only has 1 account.  When they link it to the Wii U, it will have to be tied to individual user accounts.  And lastly, Nintendo plans to take the eShop to the PC.  How do you think it will be linked?   User accounts, not a console.

So I don't even need Iwata to say it specifically because the inferences, the circumstances of the network and their plans plus some deductive reasoning make itvery clear which way it's going to go.



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ninty is just doing this to attract a certain market, but they need games to do that not an interface and features.



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Viper1 said:
kitler53 said:
Viper1 said:

Keep looking.  Also, don't look to NOA if you're looking for Iwata statements.

How about a better means of considering it?  If each console can have multiple user accounts, why would they tie the software to the console?  It wouldn't make sense to have multiple user accounts if the software is hardware locked instead of account locked. 

i'm not saying it is. i'm not saying it isn't.  i'm saying i can't find the statement you seem so sure is true.  so source it or it didn't happen.  this feels an aweful lot like when reggie said wii U is "can output 1080p"  and then everyone here startede saying 1080 60fps is a wii U standard.  you're hearing what you want to hear not what was said near as i can tell. 

Let's start with the Wii U being capable of multiple user accounts.

"Also for the Wii U, we are planning to introduce a personal account system compatible with Nintendo Network. With this, for example, the ease of using a video game system when the hardware is shared by multiple family members...."

So you have your multiple user accounts per console right there.  Now as I mentioned before, would it make sense to have multiple user accounts per console and then still tie the software to the hardware?  

Further, when you buy a game from the eShop, do you think the eShop will reconize the console or the user account?      Let's not forget that Nintendo is linking the eShop with your Club Nintendo account.  They do this on 3DS already but as we know, that's tied to a console because it only has 1 account.  When they link it to the Wii U, it will have to be tied to individual user accounts.  And lastly, Nintendo plans to take the eShop to the PC.  How do you think it will be linked?   User accounts, not a console.

So I don't even need Iwata to say it specifically because the inferences, the circumstances of the network and their plans plus some deductive reasoning make itvery clear which way it's going to go.

awesome, thank you for proving my point.  you don't have a source, you have wishful thinking and the desire to hear the answer you want to hear.



kitler53 said:
Viper1 said:

Let's start with the Wii U being capable of multiple user accounts.

"Also for the Wii U, we are planning to introduce a personal account system compatible with Nintendo Network. With this, for example, the ease of using a video game system when the hardware is shared by multiple family members...."

So you have your multiple user accounts per console right there.  Now as I mentioned before, would it make sense to have multiple user accounts per console and then still tie the software to the hardware?  

Further, when you buy a game from the eShop, do you think the eShop will reconize the console or the user account?      Let's not forget that Nintendo is linking the eShop with your Club Nintendo account.  They do this on 3DS already but as we know, that's tied to a console because it only has 1 account.  When they link it to the Wii U, it will have to be tied to individual user accounts.  And lastly, Nintendo plans to take the eShop to the PC.  How do you think it will be linked?   User accounts, not a console.

So I don't even need Iwata to say it specifically because the inferences, the circumstances of the network and their plans plus some deductive reasoning make itvery clear which way it's going to go.

awesome, thank you for proving my point.  you don't have a source, you have wishful thinking and the desire to hear the answer you want to hear.

So I'll ask you again, do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?

It's not wishful thinking, it's not what I want to hear, it's obvious logic based on what has already been stated.  

Your "Wii can do 1080p" analogy doesn't fit.   Becuase there is not logical basis to translate "Wii can do 1080p" to mean that every game will run at 1080p.   What I'm explaining to you is soundly logical.   You're also missing that major media outlets agree with me but NONE of the major media outlets ever said all Wii U games will run at 1080p...only fanboys or those with limited understanding of video game and computer hardware would make such a claim.    So don't equate what I, and other media people (yes, I'm in the media), are telling you based on logic with fanboy supposition.

So I'll bring it back to my staement above.  Do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?



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Viper1 said:
kitler53 said:
Viper1 said:

Let's start with the Wii U being capable of multiple user accounts.

"Also for the Wii U, we are planning to introduce a personal account system compatible with Nintendo Network. With this, for example, the ease of using a video game system when the hardware is shared by multiple family members...."

So you have your multiple user accounts per console right there.  Now as I mentioned before, would it make sense to have multiple user accounts per console and then still tie the software to the hardware?  

Further, when you buy a game from the eShop, do you think the eShop will reconize the console or the user account?      Let's not forget that Nintendo is linking the eShop with your Club Nintendo account.  They do this on 3DS already but as we know, that's tied to a console because it only has 1 account.  When they link it to the Wii U, it will have to be tied to individual user accounts.  And lastly, Nintendo plans to take the eShop to the PC.  How do you think it will be linked?   User accounts, not a console.

So I don't even need Iwata to say it specifically because the inferences, the circumstances of the network and their plans plus some deductive reasoning make itvery clear which way it's going to go.

awesome, thank you for proving my point.  you don't have a source, you have wishful thinking and the desire to hear the answer you want to hear.

So I'll ask you again, do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?

It's not wishful thinking, it's not what I want to hear, it's obvious logic based on what has already been stated.  

Your "Wii can do 1080p" analogy doesn't fit.   Becuase there is not logical basis to translate "Wii can do 1080p" to mean that every game will run at 1080p.   What I'm explaining to you is soundly logical.   You're also missing that major media outlets agree with me but NONE of the major media outlets ever said all Wii U games will run at 1080p...only fanboys or those with limited understanding of video game and computer hardware would make such a claim.    So don't equate what I, and other media people (yes, I'm in the media), are telling you based on logic with fanboy supposition.

So I'll bring it back to my staement above.  Do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?


true fact - ps3 supports mulitple user accounts and yet still ties the software to the hardware.   still confident that your logical conclusion is sound?  i'm not, i'll wait to see what nintendo actually announces before jumping to conclusions.



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kitler53 said:
Viper1 said:

So I'll ask you again, do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?

It's not wishful thinking, it's not what I want to hear, it's obvious logic based on what has already been stated.  

Your "Wii can do 1080p" analogy doesn't fit.   Becuase there is not logical basis to translate "Wii can do 1080p" to mean that every game will run at 1080p.   What I'm explaining to you is soundly logical.   You're also missing that major media outlets agree with me but NONE of the major media outlets ever said all Wii U games will run at 1080p...only fanboys or those with limited understanding of video game and computer hardware would make such a claim.    So don't equate what I, and other media people (yes, I'm in the media), are telling you based on logic with fanboy supposition.

So I'll bring it back to my staement above.  Do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?


true fact - ps3 supports mulitple user accounts and yet still ties the software to the hardware.   still confident that your logical conclusion is sound?  i'm not, i'll wait to see what nintendo actually announces before jumping to conclusions.

Is that what you mean by tied to the hardware?  Game saves are tied to hardware, not software.  You've completely missed what everybody asking about tied to hardware or user account means. 

 

One more fact to throw out there.  Notice how they expicitly stated that 3DS games would be tied to the hardware because it would have a single user account?   Why then didn't they say the same thign regarding the Wii U and the multiple user accounts?



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Viper1 said:
kitler53 said:
Viper1 said:

So I'll ask you again, do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?

It's not wishful thinking, it's not what I want to hear, it's obvious logic based on what has already been stated.  

Your "Wii can do 1080p" analogy doesn't fit.   Becuase there is not logical basis to translate "Wii can do 1080p" to mean that every game will run at 1080p.   What I'm explaining to you is soundly logical.   You're also missing that major media outlets agree with me but NONE of the major media outlets ever said all Wii U games will run at 1080p...only fanboys or those with limited understanding of video game and computer hardware would make such a claim.    So don't equate what I, and other media people (yes, I'm in the media), are telling you based on logic with fanboy supposition.

So I'll bring it back to my staement above.  Do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?


true fact - ps3 supports mulitple user accounts and yet still ties the software to the hardware.   still confident that your logical conclusion is sound?  i'm not, i'll wait to see what nintendo actually announces before jumping to conclusions.

Is that what you mean by tied to the hardware?  Game saves are tied to hardware, not software.  You've completely missed what everybody asking about tied to hardware or user account means. 

 

One more fact to throw out there.  Notice how they expicitly stated that 3DS games would be tied to the hardware because it would have a single user account?   Why then didn't they say the same thign regarding the Wii U and the multiple user accounts?


I'm not sure what to make of your question.  when i purchase a game on psn i can download it to my ps3 and the game is tied to the specific ps3 i download it to.  if the ps3 breaks or whatever i lose that license.  now sony makes it someone okay-ish by giving me 3 licenses (so up to 3 machines) but it is still tied to the machine.  if i have have bad luck and break 3 ps3's - poof - my game purchase is unavailible for me to play on my 4th ps3.  my only option to get around this machine locking is to use the ps3 to ps3 transfer.   this allows me to move all of the licenses from machine A to B deleting all files on A after the move.

so no, i'm not talking about game saves.



kitler53 said:


I'm not sure what to make of your question.  when i purchase a game on psn i can download it to my ps3 and the game is tied to the specific ps3 i download it to.  if the ps3 breaks or whatever i lose that license.  now sony makes it someone okay-ish by giving me 3 licenses (so up to 3 machines) but it is still tied to the machine.  if i have have bad luck and break 3 ps3's - poof - my game purchase is unavailible for me to play on my 4th ps3.  my only option to get around this machine locking is to use the ps3 to ps3 transfer.   this allows me to move all of the licenses from machine A to B deleting all files on A after the move.

so no, i'm not talking about game saves.


But while you can only have 2 PS3's linked to your accounts software at any given time you can manage which two PS3's those are now, but you can only play your purchased games on 2 different PS3's at any given time.  That's been my experience with the new system anyway.



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kitler53 said:

I'm not sure what to make of your question.  when i purchase a game on psn i can download it to my ps3 and the game is tied to the specific ps3 i download it to.  if the ps3 breaks or whatever i lose that license.  now sony makes it someone okay-ish by giving me 3 licenses (so up to 3 machines) but it is still tied to the machine.  if i have have bad luck and break 3 ps3's - poof - my game purchase is unavailible for me to play on my 4th ps3.  my only option to get around this machine locking is to use the ps3 to ps3 transfer.   this allows me to move all of the licenses from machine A to B deleting all files on A after the move.

so no, i'm not talking about game saves.

So what you are asking is if you break 3 Wii U's will you still be able to redownload your games to a 4th Wii U?

And your situation is still not a matter of software being tied to hardware, it's a matter of a limited number of licenses.   Tied to hardware means the game is downloaded to a hardware account.  Like a friend code.  It's locked to that one piece of hardware.  Like with the Wii's WiiWare service.  You download a game with no user account associated with that game.  Even the friends code system has 2 levels.  A system friend code and an individual game friend code so a downloaded game is linked with the hardware, not a user account.  Thankfully the 3DS reduced that to just a single system friend code and can be linked to your Club Nintendo account.   Because Wii U will have user accounts, sofware will be associated with the user account that downloads it.

So it seems you're confusing licensing allotments with software tied to a user account.  



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Viper1 said:

Let's start with the Wii U being capable of multiple user accounts.

"Also for the Wii U, we are planning to introduce a personal account system compatible with Nintendo Network. With this, for example, the ease of using a video game system when the hardware is shared by multiple family members...."

So you have your multiple user accounts per console right there.  Now as I mentioned before, would it make sense to have multiple user accounts per console and then still tie the software to the hardware?  

Further, when you buy a game from the eShop, do you think the eShop will reconize the console or the user account?      Let's not forget that Nintendo is linking the eShop with your Club Nintendo account.  They do this on 3DS already but as we know, that's tied to a console because it only has 1 account.  When they link it to the Wii U, it will have to be tied to individual user accounts.  And lastly, Nintendo plans to take the eShop to the PC.  How do you think it will be linked?   User accounts, not a console.

So I don't even need Iwata to say it specifically because the inferences, the circumstances of the network and their plans plus some deductive reasoning make itvery clear which way it's going to go.

I have to side with kitler on this one. You're pointing to facts that indicate that it's technically possible. "Probable," even. But still not "confirmed."

No biggie. We'll learn for certain soon enough, I'm sure.