If it weren't for his policies, there wouldn't have been a NES as we know it, with quality 3rd party software on it.

Wiibox3. You can't have the cake and eat it though. If you go by the argument that power is the root reason for a generation (at the core), then you can't argue that the Wii is much more powerful than the gamecube, when we're speaking relatively, because a next-gen console it would have actually been much more powerful than the gamecube.

As it were, Nintendo released an updated gamecube and branded it next-gen (marketing-wise). That's why it's important to realize that the gens can be defined in two ways (like Viper said it's all a timing thing, I'm saying it's both). As much as the Wii is a gen 6 caliber machine, it existed in gen 7, along with machines from the competition that actually gave the gen a reason for existence.

@wiimote as accessory to cube. I see what you're saying, but I think aout 2-3 years is the usual timeline to start designing the HW of a next-gen system (Article dates back Feb 14 2004), so I think it would be fair to say that the new proposal with the cube at its core was the design inception of the upcoming Wii. So no I don't think it was referring to the cube if that's what you're saying, but to what eventually became the Wii.

Though the Wii is much more powerful than a Gamecube:

Wii

CPU: IBM "Broadway" @ 729MHz  (90nm)

GPU: ATI "Hollywood" @ 243MHz  (3MB Texture RAM, 90nm)

Memory: 88MB Total
-24MB 1T-SRAM  (for graphics - frame buffer?)
-64MB GDDR3 System Memory

Storage:
512MB Internal NAND Flash
SD card expansion slot


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Gamecube

CPU:  IBM "Gekko" @ 485mhz (180nm)

GPU:  ATI "Flipper" @ 162Mhz (180nm)

Memory:  43MB Total
-3MB 1T-SRAM  (for graphics - 1MB texture, 2MB Frame buffer)
-16MB DVD and Audio buffer
-24MB 1T-SRAM System Memory

It's just not near as powerful as the other systems of it's generation.

^I understand what you're saying, but even the Nintendo execs say it isn't enough to make it a next-gen system as is Nintendo's usual tradition. Their business whit showed them another path, and Wii was the answer.

Do you see what I mean though, maybe I'm doing a crappy job at expressing myself.

So, by Nintendo's standards, peripherals is what defines a generation; by my calculation then, Wii Motion Plus and Wii Fit Plus is thereby 7th-Gen. Wii U will then dazzle us with 7.5th-Gen peripheral, is all but yet another bridge to 8th-Gen Super Wii Us.
Typical of Japanese, Animé and now video games, have always got to have fillers.

Good find, HappyD, very enlightening.

@happyD Look, Hiroshi was the ex-pres when he said this. Thngs have change since then and E3 2004. And the fact that they didn't even reveal the console at E3 2004 pretty much downgrades his statement. I'm sure he didn't have much information on the Wii when it was revealed at E3 2006 two years later, therwise he couldn't have said something. So his statement isn't enough.

I don't know how to put it to you guys. Of course the Wii is a new console, it just was a new gen 6 console.

Yes, WiiBox3, you're right, it was more powerful than the gamecube, but it was still in the level of gen 6 consoles, and did little to differentiate itself from gen 6 performance-wise.

All I'm saying is what we already know, I just wanted to show that all of Nintendo's leadership saw it the same way, including Yamauchi.

^RolStoppable, I've had enough. Please stop the conspiracy theories. Please. You're driving me away, is that what you want?

Let's take this offline, I've had to lock my Smash thread due to things like this. Talk to me by PM and we will resolve things there.

I say it's time for a compromise. 6.5 gen?