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Are humans the leading factor in our changing climate?

Of course we are. 73 55.30%
 
Probably. 17 12.88%
 
Probably not. 12 9.09%
 
Absolutely not. 23 17.42%
 
I have no idea. 6 4.55%
 
I wanna change apms climate ;) 1 0.76%
 
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Andrespetmonkey said:
Player1x3 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


I'm not an expert in this area, but I'm pretty sure that humans are behind at least most of these climate changes.



If not, "God" failed big time.


how exactly ? Climate chage is natural occurrence, that has happened millions times before humans even existed on this planet

 

and God can't fail, otherwise he wouldn't be a God :)

As a guy who sucks at God of war, I beg to differ.

Mythological ancient pagan Gods are a joke. The only real God that lives up to the definition of a God is the abrahamic God, thus hes the only real God. Greek  Gods are even dependent upon human prayers



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Is it a coincidence that the critics of the anthropogenic climate change always have to rely on pure speculation and polemic while supporters actually use facts and studies? I think not.



updated: 14.01.2012

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Jumpin said:
It's scientifically proven that overpopulation and industrial civilization has been the leading cause of climate change on the planet. Currently, global warming is now progressing faster than even the worst case scenario predictions from scientists. Not to mention all of the desertification that has been occurring.

This just shows how stupid many people on this website are, only 50% agreed with fact, an additional 14% thought it was probably, and 36% of you are just flat out wrong on a question whose answer should be very obvious by now.

Pretty much this. It's embarassing and disgusting that some people still hear to crtics. Coincidentally, it's mostly Christian people who think humans have the "god-given" right the destroy the environment.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

Mummelmann said:
Jumpin said:
Mummelmann said:
Reasonable said:
Of course we are. We'd need to produce 0% emissions of any kind not to.

How much are we affecting it vs natural changes to climate over geological timeframes? Well that's were the argument begins.


Pretty much agree with this. Our emissions are fairly small compared to nature itself and climate changes have been occurring with varying intervals based on a multitude of factors even before we were in existance. A single large volcano erupting can polute more than all the cars on earth for several years. Even massive human contributions such as agriculture and industry is small fries compared to the planet itself and it's regular regurgitation and farts.

One world ocean alone will polute several times more than all humans put together.

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/volcanic-co2/

 

You're wrong, even prehistoric Super-eruptions which occur only once every several hundred thousand to millions of years, do not produce as much CO2 as the world does in one year. The combined volcanic eruptions of the world, otherwise, produce less CO2 than the US State of Ohio. The rest of your post is just silly.

Notice; "all the cars", not "all human emission". Cars make up only a tiny part of human emissions. Also note that CO2 is not the only climate polutor on earth.

Feel free, however, to think that my post is silly.

Edit; Correction; a single year of volcanic eruptions, of course, not one eruption.

CO2 makes up 84.8% of emissions, and cars make up 47% of emissions.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/co2_human.html



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Silver-Tiger said:
Jumpin said:
It's scientifically proven that overpopulation and industrial civilization has been the leading cause of climate change on the planet. Currently, global warming is now progressing faster than even the worst case scenario predictions from scientists. Not to mention all of the desertification that has been occurring.

This just shows how stupid many people on this website are, only 50% agreed with fact, an additional 14% thought it was probably, and 36% of you are just flat out wrong on a question whose answer should be very obvious by now.

Pretty much this. It's embarassing and disgusting that some people still hear to crtics. Coincidentally, it's mostly Christian people who think humans have the "god-given" right the destroy the environment.

Try not to do that. Many God-fearing christians I know not only have a very low footprint, but are very sensitive to the environment.

I also care myself, and I'm christian.



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SvennoJ said:

Ofcourse combining it with nuclear, hydro electric, wind, geothermal will greatly reduce this.

The problem is it's still cheaper to use what we have in place now. Replacing infrastructure is very expensive, but it will create a lot of jobs. At some point we'll have to move to a hydrogen fuel cell economy for all our transportation needs, cheap oil won't last forever and batteries just aren't efficient enough for the job. And we better start the transition before oil becomes very expensive.
Too bad humans don't react until it's too late.

And the climate? Yes ofcourse we've slowly been changing it. There didn't used to be billions of farm animals adding all these green house gasses to the air for example. We've drastically changed the landscape all over the earth, introduced new chemicals, changed the flow of rivers, literally moved mountains of earth etc etc.
The contents of the atmosphere has changed and we're definately helping. Nobody can really predict how far we can push the earth though. Probably pretty far, life will go on, oceans won't burn off, rain will still fall. Whether our lifestyle survives is another thing.

@bold. So true, as Stinky also mentioned. Better to start before crunch time.

Also, god lord, SvennoJ the albertan oil sands are horrible! Who approves these projects???



Jumpin said:
Mummelmann said:
Jumpin said:
Mummelmann said:
Reasonable said:
Of course we are. We'd need to produce 0% emissions of any kind not to.

How much are we affecting it vs natural changes to climate over geological timeframes? Well that's were the argument begins.


Pretty much agree with this. Our emissions are fairly small compared to nature itself and climate changes have been occurring with varying intervals based on a multitude of factors even before we were in existance. A single large volcano erupting can polute more than all the cars on earth for several years. Even massive human contributions such as agriculture and industry is small fries compared to the planet itself and it's regular regurgitation and farts.

One world ocean alone will polute several times more than all humans put together.

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/volcanic-co2/

 

You're wrong, even prehistoric Super-eruptions which occur only once every several hundred thousand to millions of years, do not produce as much CO2 as the world does in one year. The combined volcanic eruptions of the world, otherwise, produce less CO2 than the US State of Ohio. The rest of your post is just silly.

Notice; "all the cars", not "all human emission". Cars make up only a tiny part of human emissions. Also note that CO2 is not the only climate polutor on earth.

Feel free, however, to think that my post is silly.

Edit; Correction; a single year of volcanic eruptions, of course, not one eruption.

CO2 makes up 84.8% of emissions, and cars make up 47% of emissions.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/co2_human.html


The worldwide average is about 10.2% for cars, the US sits the highest with around 22%, these figures include the bus and trucks for goods freight etc as well. In the UK, privately owned cars make up for around 66% of emissions, its bound to be a lot smaller in some areas and could be higher in others, the average total for car emissions is not very large in the big picture. Like here in Norway, goods freight by truck will be abnormally high since we're a rugged nation with long distances and almost no transport via railway and boats so the private emissions will be smaller, one should also account the factors of the actual cars in question, different nations drive different cars. Also, US figures are hardly representative for the global average, not even close. The rate of fossil fuel consumption in the US is abnormally high. The percentages and per capita figures are ludicrous compared to the rest of the world so using it as a reference to prove a point globally is futile in my opinion.

You know what the worst part about charts like those are? The amount of coal we're still using, its incredible. Also, the largest part of the human role in the equation is deforestiation, since we're removing the planets ability to process the gases and fumes, this is the single largest problem that nature would not incurr upon itself.



Jumpin', I got this from your link, I thought it was quite fascinating:

"Considering that human activity released some 30 Gt CO2 into the atmosphere last year, human emissions are likely 100 (or more) times as large as volcanic emissions. Those who make claims about the Mt. Pinatubo explosion emitting more CO2 than all of human activity for all time, should be made aware that the estimated CO2 emissions from Mt. Pinatubo are 0.05 Gt CO2, about the amount released by human activity in half a day, not our entire history. In fact, in less than 3 days we outstrip the volcanic emissions for an entire year:


On average, humanity’s ceaseless emissions release an amount of CO2 comparable to the 0.01 gigaton of the 1980 Mount St. Helens paroxysm every 2.5 hours and the 0.05 gigaton of the 1991 Mount Pinatubo paroxysm every 12.5 hours. Every 2.7 days, they emit an amount comparable to the 0.26 gigaton preferred estimate for annual global volcanic CO2 emissions."



Silver-Tiger said:
Jumpin said:
It's scientifically proven that overpopulation and industrial civilization has been the leading cause of climate change on the planet. Currently, global warming is now progressing faster than even the worst case scenario predictions from scientists. Not to mention all of the desertification that has been occurring.

This just shows how stupid many people on this website are, only 50% agreed with fact, an additional 14% thought it was probably, and 36% of you are just flat out wrong on a question whose answer should be very obvious by now.

Pretty much this. It's embarassing and disgusting that some people still hear to crtics. Coincidentally, it's mostly Christian people who think humans have the "god-given" right the destroy the environment.


Oh, come on. The climate "science"is more a religion, with Michael Mann "hide the decline" and Al Gore as prophets, than as a science. It's funny that you criticize Christians when this is like an organized religion. Don't listen to critics, you have to believe what those politicians say, it's a matter of faith.



Silver-Tiger said:
Jumpin said:
It's scientifically proven that overpopulation and industrial civilization has been the leading cause of climate change on the planet. Currently, global warming is now progressing faster than even the worst case scenario predictions from scientists. Not to mention all of the desertification that has been occurring.

This just shows how stupid many people on this website are, only 50% agreed with fact, an additional 14% thought it was probably, and 36% of you are just flat out wrong on a question whose answer should be very obvious by now.

Pretty much this. It's embarassing and disgusting that some people still hear to crtics. Coincidentally, it's mostly Christian people who think humans have the "god-given" right the destroy the environment.

Heh, I happen to be a fairly extreme Christian =P

There is a difference between Christians (those who understand the religion, and its highly liberal foundation), and fans of Christianity (those who treat Christianity the same way they do a football team, simply as a fan).



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