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Which quadrant are you?

Top Left (Socialist) 4 11.43%
 
Bottom Left (Liberal) 14 40.00%
 
Top Right (Conservative) 4 11.43%
 
Bottom Right (Libertarian) 13 37.14%
 
Total:35
Rath said:



Still pretty much a liberal here.

Edit: Also top left isn't socialist, if anything it's communist. Socialism isn't authoritarian by nature.

Correct.

More or less, working from 12 o'clock, you get the following leaders or thinkers:

  • 12 o'clock: Hitler/NDSAP (north)
  • 1:30: Augusto Pinochet (north-east)
  • 3: Milton Friedman
  • 4:30 Ayn Rand / Objectivism
  • 6 o'clock: Emma Goldman
  • 7:30: Ghandi
  • 9 o'clock: Karl Marx/ Fredreich Engels
  • 10:30: Stalin/Lenin/Mao/Pol Pot


Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

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haxxiy said:
Someone should try out later where answering everything with political correctness would place you.

Anyways am I wrong to say most parties are drifting northeast lately?

Not at all; you're spot on.

There are debt crises around the world, so there's an enormous focus on austerity. Since tax hikes are always unpopular, governments tend to make spending cuts at this time. Even the few left-wing parties still in power feel pressured to be more fiscally conservative.

The north is because of all of the legislation about monitoring people, especially on the internet, and stronger laws against immigration.



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Kantor said:
haxxiy said:
Someone should try out later where answering everything with political correctness would place you.

Anyways am I wrong to say most parties are drifting northeast lately?

Not at all; you're spot on.

There are debt crises around the world, so there's an enormous focus on austerity. Since tax hikes are always unpopular, governments tend to make spending cuts at this time. Even the few left-wing parties still in power feel pressured to be more fiscally conservative.

The north is because of all of the legislation about monitoring people, especially on the internet, and stronger laws against immigration.

Interesting. I wonder where we'll end up in a few decades - probably fortress nations or something like that.

I assume China and Russia governments would pretty much be there already, maybe a bit more left though.



 

 

 

 

 

Kasz216 said:
Rath said:

Socialism is a catch all phrase for a variety of economic philosophies - basically involving high government regulation, socialization of various aspects of industry and redistribution of wealth through progressive taxation. It doesn't fit on the liberarian-authoritarian line at all and you can have an authoritarian socialist state (leninist/stalinist communism) or a libertarian socialist state (social democracy).

What about those aspects aren't authoritarian?  Every law passed by majority consnet that others disagree with has some level of autortarinism behind it and hurts individualism.

It's all just a matter of HOW authoritarian it is.

Hugo Chavez is a good example that clears up the misconception pretty eaisly. He has broad power to wipe out corruption fairly arbitrairly granted by his people.

Most socialist democracies just don't seem authortarian because most socialist democracies are first world nations that are pretty well off and feel no need to exercise it's full power.

Basically this graph has economic freedom on the left to right and individual freedom on the vertical axis. Those things I mentioned only limit economic freedom, not individual freedom. Hugo Chavez is a more authoritarian socialist (and despite being democratically elected his views are not social democratic views). Compare him to somebody like Noam Chomsky who is an extreme libertarian (to the point of being basically an anarchist) while at the same time being socialist.

Socialism does not deal with the authoritarian-libertarian axis on this graph, only with the left-right one.



mrstickball said:
Rath said:



Still pretty much a liberal here.

Edit: Also top left isn't socialist, if anything it's communist. Socialism isn't authoritarian by nature.

Correct.

More or less, working from 12 o'clock, you get the following leaders or thinkers:

  • 12 o'clock: Hitler/NDSAP (north)
  • 1:30: Augusto Pinochet (north-east)
  • 3: Milton Friedman
  • 4:30 Ayn Rand / Objectivism
  • 6 o'clock: Emma Goldman
  • 7:30: Ghandi
  • 9 o'clock: Karl Marx/ Fredreich Engels
  • 10:30: Stalin/Lenin/Mao/Pol Pot

Actually, Marx and Engles were far apart philosphically despite their collaboration.

They had similar views though dissimlar ways at viewing the world.

Some people dispute this, but only because Engles is usually presented as a scapegoat to blame for the "negatives" of socialism, like Stalinism.



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I've been moving further and further left every year.  I was once pretty far to the right.



Socially I've gradually moved a bit downward, but I've always been below the middle line.



mrstickball said:

Ah, I've drifted even further south!

 

 

 

And by comparison to current world leaders and the like;

US 2012 Primary:

 

EU Leaders, 2008:

 

UK Parlimentary Elections, 2010:

 

Oh, Canada: 2011


I can't help but question these images.  I wouldn't consider myself that far away from the likes of Obama or Ron Paul, nor would I consider myself to be really more liberal than the leaders of places like Sweden and Finland. 



@Makingmusic. I agree, I can't help but feel that there is some sort of bias in how they're answering the question for every country to end up on the political right and for most of them to end up authoritarian.



Rath said:
@Makingmusic. I agree, I can't help but feel that there is some sort of bias in how they're answering the question for every country to end up on the political right and for most of them to end up authoritarian.


The thing I learned was that most leaders (as opposed to most people taking the test) do not take radical approaches to any one issue. If you 'strongly agree' or 'strongly disagree', you tend to drift significantly further in given directions. If I answered only agree/disagre on most of my answers, I'd drift significantly up and to the left. I'd say thats the issue with many politicians - that even 'leftists' or 'right' politicians tend to moderate their views, and end up in that upper-right partition.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

makingmusic476 said:

 

 


I can't help but question these images.  I wouldn't consider myself that far away from the likes of Obama or Ron Paul, nor would I consider myself to be really more liberal than the leaders of places like Sweden and Finland. 


What about Mitt Romney?  Afterall Obama and Mitt Romney are more or less the exact same guy.