I agree that if Microsoft releases something, Sony has to do it too immediately. They can't afford to lose marketshare. Invert the names and it's true too.

But in my opinion, they won't do it just because Nintendo did it, because their systems are somewhat competitive with Wii U and less expensive. Anyway, that's just what I think, but to me even a reveal this year seems unlikely. Next year, for sure.

I know, I just replyed to this above. If one releases, the other releases, I agree. I think that's a lesson both of them learned well from previous gens.

But to me there won't be a 1 year lead, because both of them are not releasing consoles this year. Nintendo 1 year lead (or more) is not in question for both MS and Sony, though, imo.

But see Nintendo started the roll out for both companies. Why? because they don't want to be third/last out. Even though fans like to think its a two horse race, MSony are very much in tune to what Nintendo is doing and will react to it aggressively.

When it was obvious Wii's motion controls and new casual focus was a major money maker, they copied the tactic in their own ways. For MS, it payed off really well.

It wouldn't matter who came out first with their next gen hardware announcement, the other two would then immediately ramp up production to be at most a year after as long as they felt confident the other company would also be around the same time. If MS comes out at E3 and says they'll launch this holiday too or by March 2013... expect PS4 in the same time frame and of course the opposite would be true.

As much as MSony don't want to let each other have much if any head start, they equally don't want Nintendo to have one more than necessary.

While I agree that MS/Sony might not worry about WiiU, they would be fools to give it such a large lead after Nintendo scooped up a lot of "core" developers from many different companies.

Well that may be true, but if M$ were to release a 720 at Christmas, do you really think that they would launch Halo 4 on the 360? They plan these things years in advance, and they would not be that stupid.

I agree that a big launch doesn't necessarily mean that the new console won't be out then, but it is very important to have games coming for the new console, and something like Halo would move consoles. GoW less so, which is why it is probably more important to use it to continue shifting PS3's rather than push it back 6 months on to a PS4

I still believe Xbox 720 and PS4 will be out by the end of 2013.

Most people agree that new consoles are coming soon. Just not this year.

I see you moved the goal posts and are now saying that all console will be launching by the end of 2013 instead of 2012 like you've originally predicted many times on here, especially in regards to the 720 lol.  Hey, when you're right, you're right, I gotta admit it

But no one has denied that the successors to PS360 will most likely be out by the end of '13, but what everyone has said and been saying since the beginning is that NEITHER of these will be shown or released by the end of this year, Wii U or no Wii U.  I don't think anybody has said that NO new Sony and M$ consoles are coming anytime soon.

Couple things...  Yes Nintendo releases Zelda SS this past year after announcing the Wii U.  So what?  SS was already announced and shown in playable form for the Wii the year before.  What were they going to do, "Twilight Princess" it and have absolutely no major Wii games for 2 straight years?

And yes Sony also put out GoW II for PS2 after PS3 had already launched, but GoW wasn't and still isn't the system selling killer app that alot of Sony fanboys try to make it out to be.  Just look at sales for proof of that... only GoW III has cracked 4m totalsales, neither of the other games could on the biggest and most popular console of all time.

Also in regards to the Wii U, every indication so far has shown this console to be competing directly with PS360 both in terms of hardware power and software (all confirmed 3rd party releases for it so far are all ports of existing multiplatform current gen titles).  While Sony and M$ are well underway with preparations for the next-gen, neither one is falling over themselves trying to get a new console out asap just because Nintendo announced one.

Next-gen is definitely coming. 360 sales are down like 50% globally for last quarter aren't they? That should get a few alarms ringing at MS HQ.

agreed AAA titles being released mean nothing.