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Jadedx on 19 April 2012
theprof00 said:
Whatabout the free ones they give with windows purchase? Were those sold? Or are they part of shipped?
Because if they were shipped, but not sold in a store, that could explain missing npd numbers, right?


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theprof00 on 19 April 2012
Jadedx said:
theprof00 said:
Whatabout the free ones they give with windows purchase? Were those sold? Or are they part of shipped?
Because if they were shipped, but not sold in a store, that could explain missing npd numbers, right?


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You know I'm trying to help your case, right?

Ok, then. Let's wait a week, and then when Nintendo verifies the numbers we can all just point at unknown countries and say "it's there. They're all there, in Uzbekistan".

I mean seriously. What is your solution if Nintendo verifies that 360 is not undertracked in Europe?



DirtyP2002 on 19 April 2012
Hyruken said:
KillerMan said:
Hyruken said:
And with that dies the whole "PS3 won 2011" thing once and for all.


Actually no. These numers still indicate that some overshipping happened during Q2. Just not as much as most expected. Sony's shipment numbers will give us clearer picture.


Not true. Plus it is becoming a joke now. So people are waiting now for the half year mark of this year to tell how well a console did last year? It's over. Most normal people tried to give normal reasons but some people simply choose not to accept them. It will always be a "wait for this" thing on this website.

In the report they have given various tid bits of information to give us an idea of how the others have done. They said they have been number one for 15 months straight now. If MS is down (almost 50% on same period last year) then it is obvious the rest are down too meaning the sales across the board are not as good. Plus they said sales are now at 67.2m which according to VGC figures (especially the adjustments) there are over 1.6m 360's sitting on shelves right now which i'm sure even the most biased of biased would have to admit that is probably about 400k-600k too much.

We will wait for the Sony numbers but remember what they said at the end of last year? They downcasted their forecast by a million ps3's. If again we go by vgc numbers why would they have done that as they seem to be doing very well?

As I said before and I took a lot of criticism for it, vgc numbers are unreliable and too many people try and pass them off as facts. All we have are official numbers and they are the ones that should be believed. People won't like me saying that here, but it is the truth. 360 sold more based on official numbers. It's over, people need to let it go or we will be here in 3 months time with the same people saying let's wait another 3 months...


1.9 million. The latest VGC - numbers include the first week of April.



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Hyruken on 19 April 2012
pezus said:
Hyruken said:
KillerMan said:
Hyruken said:
And with that dies the whole "PS3 won 2011" thing once and for all.


Actually no. These numers still indicate that some overshipping happened during Q2. Just not as much as most expected. Sony's shipment numbers will give us clearer picture.


Not true. Plus it is becoming a joke now. So people are waiting now for the half year mark of this year to tell how well a console did last year? It's over. Most normal people tried to give normal reasons but some people simply choose not to accept them. It will always be a "wait for this" thing on this website.

In the report they have given various tid bits of information to give us an idea of how the others have done. They said they have been number one for 15 months straight now. If MS is down (almost 50% on same period last year) then it is obvious the rest are down too meaning the sales across the board are not as good. Plus they said sales are now at 67.2m which according to VGC figures (especially the adjustments) there are over 1.6m 360's sitting on shelves right now which i'm sure even the most biased of biased would have to admit that is probably about 400k-600k too much.

We will wait for the Sony numbers but remember what they said at the end of last year? They downcasted their forecast by a million ps3's. If again we go by vgc numbers why would they have done that as they seem to be doing very well?

As I said before and I took a lot of criticism for it, vgc numbers are unreliable and too many people try and pass them off as facts. All we have are official numbers and they are the ones that should be believed. People won't like me saying that here, but it is the truth. 360 sold more based on official numbers. It's over, people need to let it go or we will be here in 3 months time with the same people saying let's wait another 3 months...

So 400k-600k too much on shelves according to VGC means 360 will be adjusted over PS3 for 2011 when PS3 is ahead by more than 600k?


I meant to say at least. It could be as much as 1m undertracked if we take into account early april numbers (as pointed out below).

Plus if they are so badly out on the 360 what is to say the ps3 numbers are accurate? Didn't we have it quite high for the last shipments to only find it was lower? Obviously that is the nature of the website, sometimes it will be right, sometimes it will be over and sometimes it will be under. But from a logical point of view you would have to say it is unlikely PS3 sold more then 360 in 2011. There is far more evidence to show 360 sold more. In fact the only evidence we have that ps3 sold more is what ioi says.

But like I said in december and like I said in one of the other recent sales threads. Someone posts a number here and it is taken as gospel. Nobody dares to question it. It simply has to be true because someone said it is. And when a company releases official figures those numbers are now looked at with mistrust and doubt. Which is quite frankly stupid.



enditall727 on 19 April 2012
Seece said:
Turkish said:
Loss $229 million, I thought they were making a great profit?


3 reasons:

They sell xbox 360 at a loss
Nextbox development
windows phone

They make around $115 per 360 and have made a few bill profit over the last 4/5 years from 360, why would they suddenly start losing money on them when they havn't dropped the price? You're just making stuff up now.


DAMN!

how did you come up with the $115 profit?

you got any links or is that just an educated guess??

if true, that would mean that it only costs $85 to make the arcade 360

they are BANKING majorly!



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Barozi on 19 April 2012
enditall727 said:
Seece said:
Turkish said:
Loss $229 million, I thought they were making a great profit?


3 reasons:

They sell xbox 360 at a loss
Nextbox development
windows phone

They make around $115 per 360 and have made a few bill profit over the last 4/5 years from 360, why would they suddenly start losing money on them when they havn't dropped the price? You're just making stuff up now.


DAMN!

how did you come up with the $115 profit?

you got any links or is that just an educated guess??

if true, that would mean that it only costs $85 to make the arcade 360

they are BANKING majorly!

Googling tells me that it was *cough* Pachter *cough*.
Probably a bit high, but certainly more correct than a loss



MonstaMack on 19 April 2012

So where did we undertrack?

BTW I predicted 1.5 for the lulz! And I was ALMOST RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

Illusive Man: I wish you could see this Sony, the world is so... perfect!



It's just that simple.

theprof00 on 19 April 2012

115 seems pretty crazy. Id venture that its 70 to 80.



MonstaMack on 19 April 2012
pezus said:
MonstaMack said:
So where did we undertrack?

BTW I predicted 1.5 for the lulz! And I was ALMOST RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

Illusive Man: I wish you could see this Sony, the world is so... perfect!

Seriously dude...

Sure.



It's just that simple.

Adinnieken on 19 April 2012
Aj_habfan said:
Jadedx said:
Aj_habfan said:
I wouldn't rule out USA completely because of NPD, there is room for error on their part there - an extra 500k in the past 6 months would definitely fall within the margin of error, with the remainder spread out thru parts of Europe and emerging markets.

No, NPD is never that far off. Why is it so hard to believe that the 360 can sell well in other countries?

Because no proof of this actual exists. We get data from USA, most of Europe, and Japan - the Europe/Japan sources are as solid as it gets, but the USA one has more room for error.

I already credited some of the difference to "emerging markets", but the entire difference coming from there? That would be tough for vgchartz going into the future if MS is able to sell that many consoles without anyone picking up a trace of it.

If Canada bought half of what the UK buys (as they have half the population) then sales in Canada would be aboot 140K per quarter.  Brazil has more than 50% of the US population.  If sales for the Xbox 360 were half of the US, you'd be looking at 500K per quarter.  Considering the Xbox 360 is god awfully expensive in Brazil (as are most things), then I'd suggest it's probably not that high.

For VG Chartz to correct the problem, I suppose they would either need to work with retailers in markets that they don't have properly covered, or rely on inaccurate estimates.  But the problem is VGChartz' not Microsoft's, Sony's, or Nintendo's.  As far as I know, VGChartz doesn't pay for its information, thus the maxium "You get what you pay for," applies.   As well for anyone who decides to use VGChartz as factual/real rather than guestimations. 

If December didn't key you into that, then I'm not sure what event has to occur that makes you realize that VGChartz is not the last word in gaming sales, but is just a resource to get a feel for how the industry is looking.