we did have the same issue with the PS3 for years. 

well I'd wait for Sony's shipments first, but it doesn't look unlikely atm.

Actually no. These numers still indicate that some overshipping happened during Q2. Just not as much as most expected. Sony's shipment numbers will give us clearer picture.

What if a lot of those are kinect bundles and aren't selling as well, and stores are simlpy ordering regular ones?

I tried to explain this and failed.

Yup, it's still an issue imo, hope it doesn't start with 360 too now...

360 was overshipped last Q. 360 is overshipped in this Q. 360 will be overshipped in the next Q. In some people's mind, 360 is always overshipped. I just don't get it. How come?

If you don't like 360, why do you bother come in this tread? Why always play down the success of 360?

Whatabout the free ones they give with windows purchase? Were those sold? Or are they part of shipped?
Because if they were shipped, but not sold in a store, that could explain missing npd numbers, right?

You are right. Inventory holding costs is very expensive, and considering the stretched margins retailers are facing in todays tough economic environment, it is truly mad to think they would incur these massive costs.

Not true. Plus it is becoming a joke now. So people are waiting now for the half year mark of this year to tell how well a console did last year? It's over. Most normal people tried to give normal reasons but some people simply choose not to accept them. It will always be a "wait for this" thing on this website.

In the report they have given various tid bits of information to give us an idea of how the others have done. They said they have been number one for 15 months straight now. If MS is down (almost 50% on same period last year) then it is obvious the rest are down too meaning the sales across the board are not as good. Plus they said sales are now at 67.2m which according to VGC figures (especially the adjustments) there are over 1.6m 360's sitting on shelves right now which i'm sure even the most biased of biased would have to admit that is probably about 400k-600k too much.

We will wait for the Sony numbers but remember what they said at the end of last year? They downcasted their forecast by a million ps3's. If again we go by vgc numbers why would they have done that as they seem to be doing very well?

As I said before and I took a lot of criticism for it, vgc numbers are unreliable and too many people try and pass them off as facts. All we have are official numbers and they are the ones that should be believed. People won't like me saying that here, but it is the truth. 360 sold more based on official numbers. It's over, people need to let it go or we will be here in 3 months time with the same people saying let's wait another 3 months...