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SecondWar said:
crissindahouse said:

why do some say something like "it's like uk would claim iceland is theirs, or argentina could claim the neighbour countries are theirs because they are "near"" as well? i think the huge difference is that argentinas neighbours and iceland are independent countries, the falkland island aren't independent.

but still, it's not argentinas right to claim they have to own the falkland islands. we have to see the situation like it is nowadays so falkland isalnd are uk's or they have to be independent if they would like to be independent. or even a part of argentina if they would like that but they won't so, no right for argentina.


Checking your profile, it says your from Reunion. I believe the Falklands dispute could be compared to that of Reunion's, a French-ruled island on the other side of the world from Europe albiet with no other country claiming it as its own (that I'm aware of). The same can be said of New Caledonia, Tahiti and French Guiana (amongst others). What would say in relation to your own situation? Are you happy being a part of France, do you want independance or do you want to join another, more local country?

naa i'm from germany but i know few people from there from a school exchange from like 12 years ago and when i registered here some years ago i didn't care if there stands my real country or another country. i will change this now^^



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crissindahouse said:
SecondWar said:
crissindahouse said:

why do some say something like "it's like uk would claim iceland is theirs, or argentina could claim the neighbour countries are theirs because they are "near"" as well? i think the huge difference is that argentinas neighbours and iceland are independent countries, the falkland island aren't independent.

but still, it's not argentinas right to claim they have to own the falkland islands. we have to see the situation like it is nowadays so falkland isalnd are uk's or they have to be independent if they would like to be independent. or even a part of argentina if they would like that but they won't so, no right for argentina.


Checking your profile, it says your from Reunion. I believe the Falklands dispute could be compared to that of Reunion's, a French-ruled island on the other side of the world from Europe albiet with no other country claiming it as its own (that I'm aware of). The same can be said of New Caledonia, Tahiti and French Guiana (amongst others). What would say in relation to your own situation? Are you happy being a part of France, do you want independance or do you want to join another, more local country?

naa i'm from germany but i know few people from there from a school exchange from like 12 years ago and when i registered here some years ago i didn't care if there stands my real country or another country. i will change this now^^

Had a feeling you might turn out not to be, never mind then.



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i hope they can make enough money off the sale of oil to fill every inch of their island with missiles so the argentinians wont try to assault them again.

its funny to see argentina have the audacity to say the falklanders dont have a right to their say since they are settlers, when the argentinians are all european themselves.



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Well, by request of man-bear-pig, and because I'm from Argentina, I want to share my opinion. Sorry for my grammar.

First, the Islas Malvinas (or Falkland Islands) are 480 km / 300 milles far off the Argentinian coast. The nearest point is Isla de los Estados, 340 km / 210 milles.

I think the story is something like this. Spain, with the different Viceroyalties, controlled South America. The Spanish controlled what is now Argentina, so they had the possession of the coast and travelled from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. They discovered the Islands, but also did the British and the Dutch.

The visits from the English in the XVIII generated some problems with the Spanish. Then some French Count took possession of the islands in the name of the King of France, even founded a Port, but the Spanish protested, and finally the French admited Spanish soberany over the islands. They created the Governation of the Islas Malvinas.
The British founded a Port, but Spain achieved the retire of them in some kind of pact.

In 1810 a period of 6 years started in the Viceroyalty of Rio de la Plata, which ended with the Independence of Argentina. Between 1811 and 1820, the islands were abandoned by the Spanish. In 1820, the new government of Buenos Aires sended a ship to regain control of the territory. Luis Maria Vernet was conceded the explotation of the resources. He created some settlements in the island.

The actions of Vernet against some whaleboats made that the Lexington, a war corvette of the USA, attacked the Puerto Soledad instalations. The British arrived in 1833 with the HMS Clio, comanded by Captain Onslow, who told Vernet they were retaking possession of the islands in the name of the King of England. The Argentinian escaped to the continent.

Then happened what we all know in 1982. The dictators in Argentina weren't in their best times, so they tought that with the invasion of the islands they were going to obtain strength or something to continue. I think they just wanted to enter any war, because years ago we almost got into one with Chile, but never happened.
Thatcher also needed it, because England was in a crisis and with it, she "saved" the country.

I don't know if between 1833 and 1982 Argentina tried to do something with England, some kind of pact like the one of England and China for hong Kong. I think Peron, the president of Argentina in 1973, tried to do a pact of 50 years, but it's just a rumour.

I think the islands belong to us because they were of Spain, and Spain "gave them to us" with the independence, and because of the expedition of 1820. Also England is just waaaaay too far of the islands. Of course you can't just force generations of families to leave to England or make them Argentinians, I know that.
But don't worry, a war is not going to happen, we don't have the equipment and the soldiers to start a war. The one in 1982 was something stupid and we learned from that.
It's something that the government is doing to gain popularity, to make the people look into other direction while we are being murdered by thieves, while the vicepresident Boudou is being investigated for corruption, while the country is being sold to foreign companies so they can extract gold, while they are doing their negotiations, while people still disappears and while the President Cristina Kirchner is in the middle of a argument with the Mayor of Buenos Aires, Mauricio Macri.

In my honest opinion, I don't want the islands right now, because it is all a play of the goverment, I dislike this goverment and I hate Cristina.
Even if we get the islands, what are we going to do with them? Probably sell the resources and the lands to friends of the politics, so I don't want that to happen.



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the spanish bought the french claim to the island ...and its spanish name is derived from its french name.
to claim the french are just some interloper into the spanish territory is pure nonsense.



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If Argentina were smart about it, they'd simply flood the islands with immigrants and then democratically kick the British out, but as it is we must abide by the will of the people. Argentina has no claim that is contrary to the will of the Falkland Islanders, though i do agree that perhaps an accord on oil rights should be reached.



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man-bear-pig said:

Argentina doesn't have a leg to stand on IMO. The Islands are 400 miles off of the Argentine coast, which is kinda like the UK claiming they own Iceland... Kinda. Also, the people of the country would prefer UK rule, so I don't see how any Global body could support the Argentine claim. However, if there is 60 billion barrels of oil found beneath the seabeds surrounding the Falklands ($7.2 trillion dollars worth using current oil prices or 15x Argentinas annual GDP) then, unless both governments can come to an agreement of sharing the money generated from it, then god knows what will happen... War perhaps? S. American bloc vs European (/US potentially) bloc. Very unlikely, but possible, especially considering nut-jobs like Hugo Chavez have a lot of political sway in South America.


The Malvinas were Spanish first and Argentinian later (since 1816) and when the British took control of the island they expelled the argentinian who lived there.  It's not about how far it is from its coasts. IT'S ABOUT THEY WERE TAKEN BY FORCE BY A COLONIALIST EMPIRE.

The people living in the islands are british, they were brought there because of its geopolitical importance and they used our hospitals until 1982. FOR FREE.



Millenium said:
I will not be drawn into another financial debate with you Dennis, I really will not.

Wait,... What?

I mean, IMO Argentina has a more legitimate claim to the Islands...

*runs away*


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TheFallen said:
Millenium said:
I will not be drawn into another financial debate with you Dennis, I really will not.

Wait,... What?

I mean, IMO Argentina has a more legitimate claim to the Islands...

*runs away*


LOL. Am I the only one who got the Jurassic Park quote? :p



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