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Snesboy said:
se7en7thre3 said:
I just bought an HD 6670 low profile card, and I'm not impressed by it at all. Cant even do 1080p with all effects without major slowdown. So someone with more knowledge about pc cards, feel free to correct me, but if these specs hold true, then Wii U won't be too far off and will infact be able to receive ports easily (if not the main console that does the porting, ala PS2).

Bold: You are correct.

Unbolded: WiiU's GPU crushes the 6670.

Not if the wiiU rumors hold true.

And in regards to the card, you have to consider that dedicated hardware will allow for developers to get the most out of the hardware, instead of generically scaling it. Another note-worthy thing is the assymetrical crossfire that gives the machine a secondary GPU for that ekstra boost.

I still think they should have gone with a cell design though, and I gotta say that I'm not very impressed with, especially the CPU... But with the economy, and sony as a company as is, They probably can't afford to take big risks. This seems like a "safe" machine.



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zero129 said:
Staude said:
Snesboy said:
se7en7thre3 said:
I just bought an HD 6670 low profile card, and I'm not impressed by it at all. Cant even do 1080p with all effects without major slowdown. So someone with more knowledge about pc cards, feel free to correct me, but if these specs hold true, then Wii U won't be too far off and will infact be able to receive ports easily (if not the main console that does the porting, ala PS2).

Bold: You are correct.

Unbolded: WiiU's GPU crushes the 6670.

Not if the wiiU rumors hold true.

And in regards to the card, you have to consider that dedicated hardware will allow for developers to get the most out of the hardware, instead of generically scaling it. Another note-worthy thing is the assymetrical crossfire that gives the machine a secondary GPU for that ekstra boost.

I still think they should have gone with a cell design though, and I gotta say that I'm not very impressed with, especially the CPU... But with the economy, and sony as a company as is, They probably can't afford to take big risks. This seems like a "safe" machine.

What rumors would that be?

That the wiiU is roughly on par with the ps360 visually ?

It's also worth noting that it's HIGHLY unlikely that the wiiU will have a better GPU than the ps4. I base that on current gen and anything that has been revealed so far, including statements from nintendo, about how they are going to continue in the same direction as the wii took them. - It should be noted that I still rather see a more powerful GPU from sony, but i'm withholding judgement. I am with the WiiU too, But I can't help but form an opinion on both of them based on what I've read and heard :P



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VGKing said:
Lafiel said:
Those look like pretty realistic specs to me. It would mean, that we could see a very decent jump in graphics quality over the PS3, but the console could launch for $300-$350 without much subsidizing on Sony's part.

I just hope that they still go with a Southern Islands architecture GPU(like other rumors mentioned), which the 7670/6670 isn't. Maybe it's a typo and they actually use the 7770 as that one comes with 1ghz clock, but ofcourse console GPUs don't necessarily need to have the same clock as the graphics card the respective chips are used on.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Islands_(GPU_family)

Entry-level cards 7570, 7650, 7670
Mid-range cards 7750, 7770, 7850, 7870
High-end cards 7950, 7970
Enthusiast cards 7990

 

The 7670 IS part of the Southern Islands GPU family.

yea, I probably was a bit off calling it "Southern Islands" architecture - I meant the Vec16 architecture of the new chips, while the Turks that is in the 7670/6670  has the older 5D architecture

the filtering (AF/ textures) of the new architecture is said to be better (there have been in detail tests on pc sites that showed the hd 6000 series does have problems with flickering textures in certain AF modes), but well the 5D architecture is said to have lots of unused potential, so maybe that one would be a better option after all



zero129 said:
Staude said:
zero129 said:
Staude said:
Snesboy said:
se7en7thre3 said:
I just bought an HD 6670 low profile card, and I'm not impressed by it at all. Cant even do 1080p with all effects without major slowdown. So someone with more knowledge about pc cards, feel free to correct me, but if these specs hold true, then Wii U won't be too far off and will infact be able to receive ports easily (if not the main console that does the porting, ala PS2).

Bold: You are correct.

Unbolded: WiiU's GPU crushes the 6670.

Not if the wiiU rumors hold true.

And in regards to the card, you have to consider that dedicated hardware will allow for developers to get the most out of the hardware, instead of generically scaling it. Another note-worthy thing is the assymetrical crossfire that gives the machine a secondary GPU for that ekstra boost.

I still think they should have gone with a cell design though, and I gotta say that I'm not very impressed with, especially the CPU... But with the economy, and sony as a company as is, They probably can't afford to take big risks. This seems like a "safe" machine.

What rumors would that be?

That the wiiU is roughly on par with the ps360 visually ?

It's also worth noting that it's HIGHLY unlikely that the wiiU will have a better GPU than the ps4. I base that on current gen and anything that has been revealed so far, including statements from nintendo, about how they are going to continue in the same direction as the wii took them. - It should be noted that I still rather see a more powerful GPU from sony, but i'm withholding judgement. I am with the WiiU too, But I can't help but form an opinion on both of them based on what I've read and heard :P

So you listen to rumors from anonymous/ No name devs, then listen to facts from devs that have giving thair names??, very smart of you.

Also i would like to see them statements from nintendo devs that says they are going to continue in the same direction as the Wii. Before the Wii Nintendo has always had a very powerful console, GameCube was the 2nd powerful of last gen, so maybe they are going to go back to that again?, It's only this gen Sony has releases the most powerful console, as before this gen they always released the weakest.

You seem awfully defensive about this. Theres no reason for that. I'm not gonna scour the internet looking for sources. It's just what information i've compiled. I'll have you know that I had Not infact, seen any other rumors when I made that statement, and the fact that the WII was a huge success, nintendo preferring to make money right out of the gate, along with them probably, hopefully, wanting to price their machine competitively, tells me that they are likely to release a console that is not of equal power to the Ps4720. And yes, I know. But the gamecube was a flop. It's more likely that they'll continue a successful strategy, rather than go back to one that failed them in the past. Noone can say for certain how it's really going to end up, other than people in the know. Neither of us are. We can only speculate based on what we have heard. And yes, I have NOW seen another developer say that it has a great CPU. But that's not very specific, nor do I know if it's true. He may consider it great because of many things. It doesn't mean that it's extremely powerful. But it doesn't mean that it's not. I'm not trying to downplay the machine. But yes, I am biased. It's hard not to have preferences :P I do try to limit it though.

but as you see with rumors of all shapes and sizes, this is the period where speculation run amok. Some take advantage of that.



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VGKing said:
Lafiel said:
Those look like pretty realistic specs to me. It would mean, that we could see a very decent jump in graphics quality over the PS3, but the console could launch for $300-$350 without much subsidizing on Sony's part.

I just hope that they still go with a Southern Islands architecture GPU(like other rumors mentioned), which the 7670/6670 isn't. Maybe it's a typo and they actually use the 7770 as that one comes with 1ghz clock, but ofcourse console GPUs don't necessarily need to have the same clock as the graphics card the respective chips are used on.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Islands_(GPU_family)

Entry-level cards 7570, 7650, 7670
Mid-range cards 7750, 7770, 7850, 7870
High-end cards 7950, 7970
Enthusiast cards 7990

 

The 7670 IS part of the Southern Islands GPU family.

It's based on the older architecture though (VLIW5) rather than Graphics Core Next which is all cards from the 7750 onwards.



KBG29 said:
Shinobi-san said:
KBG29 said:
Should these specs hold true, I will move on. Tablets will be surpassing the capabilities of these consoles within a year of launch, with much better software support, and a more open market. Halo, and Uncharted are not that amazing, and Gears will come to other platforms if Epic is not pleased.

Really hope these are no where near the actual specs. The only thing that could save them is if they went to a yearly model progression. So this thing hits this year with the 400 core APU, and the 500 Stream processor GPU with 1GB each. Then a 2014 model with 800 core apu, 1000 stream processor GPU and 2GB each. So on and so forth. In this case Code can remain the same and devs can just scale like with PC.


What on earth do you base that bullshit on?

A field that looks to have much more of a drive to make the best product on the market, much higher accepted hardware prices, and a much larger push at advancing technology. The next Tegra chip is said to be a mini Kepler design which should destroy this tech. Then with the major advancments in CPU design set for the coming months, this should be a breeze to surpass. Granted it will only be in $800 models, but I spend the money were tech is being pushed, so it don't bother me.

The good thing is, with all the competition, and the massive spike in capable hardware, devs should be more able to make whatever they want without limits. Hopefully we are heading back to the time when having a $3000 computer actually affords you something special. These past couple years of higher res, high framerate console ports have taken the edge off PC gaming.

I think you grossly misunderstand the gap between desktop PC hardware and mobile hardware. They are not even in the same range. Tablets and smartphones havent even caught up to current gen consoles, and yet you say that when new consoles are released they will overtake them in a year.

Complete bullshit right there.

The vita is currently the most advanced mobile device in terms of hardware specs, it will probably remain so for the most part of this year. Most manufacturers have already released/announced their 2012 lineups and almost all are inferior to vita. The next wave of tablets and smartphones will probably be on par with vita coming end of this year/begin of next. Only after that wave of releases will we see most manufacturers move to next gen tec from mobile tec companies like the power vr rogues series etc. Those devices will probably release mid/end of 2013 and will still be behind CURRENT console hardware based on current trends in mobile hardware power increases.

So i really dont know what you are on about. You talk about the "drive" of the mobile computing industry? The only reason such great steps forward has been made is because its easier to get better the worse you are. And 5 - 10 years back mobile computing wasnt anywer. So obviously given the increase in popularity of smartphones/tablets etc. there has been a greater focus on the hardware and theres been great progress over the years. But the more they progress the slower that progress will occur.

And, what about the progress and drive of intel, nvidia and amd? The last two/three years intel particularly has made some amazing progress in terms of performance as well as price. And since next gen consoles will all in some way benefit from the progress of these companies, it itself becomes a industry (the console gaming industry) that has  progress and drive in terms of hardware performance and aspirations.



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pezus said:

Don't bring that fruit into this!

You know it looks like that.



I've said for a long time now, that Sony shouldnt try another PS2-PS3 jump in power. Its too costly and the results aren't seen for 2-3 Years after release.

Slightly more powerful than the PS3 would be just fine. Affordable, powerful, easy to develop for... Would be perfect.



                            

NightDragon83 said:

Soooo... PS4 and 720 to be as powerful, but not much more powerful, than PS360 confirmed then?

Because if these specs were announced for the Wii U, we'd have "anonymous" developers coming out of the woodwork saying just that lol.


Uh..no. Way more powerful. Exponentially. Especially is that 16core rumor is true for Xbox 720(which I doubt).