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Will the Vita outsell the PSP?

Yes! 87 27.97%
 
No! 193 62.06%
 
See results. 30 9.65%
 
Total:310
Conegamer said:
Pokemonbrawlvg said:
Monster Hunter for Vita? Already made a thread about it!
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141687&page=1#

Anyway, a slim model or a price cut will definetly help the system, but when will it release, how long that effect would last, and how large the effect would be are questionable. E3 will only tell what Sony has plan for the system.

Yeah, there's been loads of threads about it (I made one I believe just before Vita Heaven), it's something that won't go away, until it's released...

@Logic- How can a 15mil lead be irrelevant? It just...can't be. And I'm talking specifically about Monster Hunter as well, nothing to do with anything else on either system. My point is, with so many sales and an established base on the console, it won't become irrevelant if released on another console, the only possible slip in sales would be from the Vita game.

I don't understand what else I can say to make this any clearer...

same way the wii 30 million lead was irrelevant

COD is the highest selling franchise on the 360 and ps3 and how important is it on the wii, think GTA on PSP vs DS



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logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Pokemonbrawlvg said:
Monster Hunter for Vita? Already made a thread about it!
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141687&page=1#

Anyway, a slim model or a price cut will definetly help the system, but when will it release, how long that effect would last, and how large the effect would be are questionable. E3 will only tell what Sony has plan for the system.

Yeah, there's been loads of threads about it (I made one I believe just before Vita Heaven), it's something that won't go away, until it's released...

@Logic- How can a 15mil lead be irrelevant? It just...can't be. And I'm talking specifically about Monster Hunter as well, nothing to do with anything else on either system. My point is, with so many sales and an established base on the console, it won't become irrevelant if released on another console, the only possible slip in sales would be from the Vita game.

I don't understand what else I can say to make this any clearer...

same way the wii 30 million lead was irrelevant

COD is the highest selling franchise on the 360 and ps3 and how important is it on the wii, think GTA on PSP vs DS

Why is the Wii lead irrevelant? I don't get it. Those people bought a Wii, not a PS360, or anything else. You can't just ignore a lead because 'it's selling worse now'. A lead is a lead, end of. And the lead that the 3DS will have with Monster Hunter is also important, because the install base is already there. Capcom won't risk splitting the fanbase by releasing a new game on untested territory, especially if it's not the market leader. 

Ironic in your GTA point that the DS was the console to get the exclusive game, thus destroying your argument. And the Wii CODs still regularly sell well over a million, so it's still relevant.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

axumblade said:
Conegamer said:
axumblade said:
I personally don't think that Call of Duty would save the Vita unless it's a completely different game than what is releasing this fall on home consoles. I'm leaning more toward a Grand Theft Auto game being able to help the system because GTA is one of the highest selling series on a Sony handheld and even the YOP of GTA:Chinatown Wars almost hit a million in physical sales (not sure how much digital sales were but 70k doesn't seem too unattainable).

Also, to me it feels that Sony are trying to release as many releases before the holiday season to have a competitive holiday with Nintendo. While some people are knocking on the "lack of games coming out." I noticed they didn't just have more games launch with their system than the 3DS but they have a constant flow of games coming out, which the 3DS did not start with. Since the launch of the Vita, they've released quite a few games (Unit 13, MMA Supremacy, MLB: The Show, Ninja Gaiden) and have a lot of games releasing over the next couple of months (LBP, Gravity Daze, Disgaea, Resistance, Silent Hill). And then e3 will launch and give us our next set of games that are to be released on the Vita. This isn't to knock on Nintendo considering that none of those games will ever likely to touch the Mario games and don't really have much of a chance at touching Legend of Zelda: OoT either. It's just an opinion of what Sony are trying to do with the market.

Good points here. A COD game probably wouldn't shake the current install base on the HD consoles, and FPS' never really took off on handhelds. A GTA, whilst possible, is unlikely, what with GTA V coming out soon. This is unlikely to get a release on the Vita, so a new GTA game can be rules out for at least a year or two.

I think E3 will show us what Sony have got up their sleeve for the holidays, and I'm expecting something big and unexpected...

According to wiki (which I know it's sad I'm using), Rockstar Leeds are responsible for the GTA portable games. The only thing they've released in the last few years has been the PC version of L.A. Noire. So it's not too far fetched to think that a portable GTA game is in production. Also, given Rockstar Games track record, they generally don't talk too much about a game until it's almost ready to release. GTA5 has been rumored to have been in development since a few months after GTAIV came out. So with Rockstar, you never know when they're planning to release a game.

I'm thinking E3 will be great for all fans of handhelds. I'm sure we'll at least hear about Final Fantasy and Monster Hunter there but at the same time, I've been wrong before.

I thought Rockstar Leeds also did the PS2 games (San Andreas, Vice City Stories, Liberty City Stories)? And you're right. Rockstar seems to be the only company (along with Nintendo) who can keep a secret. I expect, if a GTA game is released, for a version to be released on both handhelds, akin to what happened with Chinatown Wars. 

E3 will be a great one for handheld fans, that's fairly certain. Just as you said. And it's not too many months away...



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

errorpwns said:
marioboy2004 said:
I feel Nintendo dominate the handheld business because the majority of the demographic of handheld gamers are children to college students. I don't think many 25-35 year old males who own a house and work full-time would want to buy a console and a handheld. Sony should really back out of the handheld business and losing to the Wii brand was the biggest mistake that it made. The Playstation 2 dominated for good reason because Sony makes really good hardware for consoles. Nintendo's really specialty is attracting the younger demographic and this is why it has a strong grip on the handheld market.


Good Hardware?  The PS1 was probably the weakest console that generation, the PS2 was the third weakest power wise, and the PS3 was actually tied with the Xbox 360.  Also, I've had more PS1s have issues on me than N64 or Gamecube consoles.   Wii vs PS3/Xbox 360 is irrelevent, since the wii gets a lot less hot obviously so it doesn't suffer from overheating issues as does the PS3/Xbox 360.  People want to insult Microsoft for RROD yet they ignore the tons of PS3 consoles with terrible blu-ray drives that tend to fail quickly.

Pretty sure this is not a "lets attack the ps brand and point out how much better the wii and 360 are than the ps3".

OT: While I have a Vita and I'm in love with the system, I completely understand why it has failed to do well so far. If Sony were smart, they would have made a deal with Capcom for a Monster Hunter "exclusive" game for Vita (which would be ported later to every other console) and make it a launch title. I find the lack of a God of War/Lbp/ Gravity Rush as lauch titles ridiculous. Why is it taking so long for Gravity Rush to get localized? Final Fantasy Type-0 could have easily been released already for the vita. The psvita keeps losing momentum/hype and people who weren't sure whether to buy one are pobably afraid to do so, as its future doens't seem that bright.

We'll have a better picture of its future after the release of Bioshock, Cod etc, but at the moment it doesn't look good.



Conegamer said:
logic56 said:

same way the wii 30 million lead was irrelevant

COD is the highest selling franchise on the 360 and ps3 and how important is it on the wii, think GTA on PSP vs DS

Why is the Wii lead irrevelant? I don't get it. Those people bought a Wii, not a PS360, or anything else. You can't just ignore a lead because 'it's selling worse now'. A lead is a lead, end of. And the lead that the 3DS will have with Monster Hunter is also important, because the install base is already there. Capcom won't risk splitting the fanbase by releasing a new game on untested territory, especially if it's not the market leader. 

Ironic in your GTA point that the DS was the console to get the exclusive game, thus destroying your argument. And the Wii CODs still regularly sell well over a million, so it's still relevant.

yeah sell over a million that's great until you look at how much it sold on the ps3 and 360, then it becomes irrelevant

wii was irrelevant because the people that brought over the ps3 and 360 more often than not  wouldn't have brought a ps3 or 360 in the first place, the wii didn't dictate the generation in any way shape or form, ps2 and ps1 dictated their generations, 3rd party games, multiplatform time exclusives, etc. this generation went on in spite of wii's massive lead. Look at all the block busters that came out for ps3 and 360, those would have come out regardless of what the wii sold,No third party was dying to get their games on wii and the ones that did their efforts were largely irrelevant. Basically the highest selling software on wii wouldn't sell anywhere but a wii, it was a console that could have been and was largely ignored by most of the industry.

Now that's not an attack on wii just a fact, the wii created it's own market and I'm not saying it's a bad thing it's a great thing. In fact look at how much it benefited, high sales, massive profit, the highest selling games of all time. The wii was an amazing success, but as far as influencing the industry, it had little to no effect at all. Case in point when the ps2 and ps1 were approaching the end of their lives their competitors were either dead of dying, the wii is on life support and 360 / ps3 are still posting their highest years yet.

And the 3ds is be much of the same, people think that's not the case NOW because they're looking at NOW which is short sighted. Bad Vita is launch Vita nothing more. The moment it gets heat to its' tires it's going to take off. Do better than 3ds? Personally I don't think it will, sell great and receive amazing support, without a doubt, and in the end it's how your console that was supported that matters.

oh and Capcom made Monster Hunter on psp which was handily destroying the psp in sales so there



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logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Pokemonbrawlvg said:
Monster Hunter for Vita? Already made a thread about it!
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141687&page=1#

Anyway, a slim model or a price cut will definetly help the system, but when will it release, how long that effect would last, and how large the effect would be are questionable. E3 will only tell what Sony has plan for the system.

Yeah, there's been loads of threads about it (I made one I believe just before Vita Heaven), it's something that won't go away, until it's released...

@Logic- How can a 15mil lead be irrelevant? It just...can't be. And I'm talking specifically about Monster Hunter as well, nothing to do with anything else on either system. My point is, with so many sales and an established base on the console, it won't become irrevelant if released on another console, the only possible slip in sales would be from the Vita game.

I don't understand what else I can say to make this any clearer...

same way the wii 30 million lead was irrelevant

COD is the highest selling franchise on the 360 and ps3 and how important is it on the wii, think GTA on PSP vs DS

The problem here is that Call of Duty on Wii is inferior for reasons other than graphics or hardware processing power. I do not doubt that Capcom is bringing their A-game with Monster Hunter Tri G, and that any Vita Monster Hunter would merely be prettier, but that would be the end of it, whereas because of massive third party developer conspiracy (mtpdc), Nintendo versions of these games are severely gimped in ways that often don't make sense, with whole play modes dropped from rotation. Madden works as an example here as well.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

logic56 said:

... the wii didn't dictate the generation in any way shape or form, ps2 and ps1 dictated their generations, 3rd party games, multiplatform time exclusives, etc...

Regarding your point about 3rd parties here, you're right, I'll give you that.  But to say Wii didn't dictate the gen "in any way shape or form"?  Move and Kinect say, "Hi".  The Wii was never meant to eradicate traditional gameplay, but rather to expand the market and attract people with different gameplay types, in which it handily succeeded.

And concerning your past posts, if you really think that the 3DS' lead or the fact that Nintendo have secured Monster Hunter means nothing, you're in for a rude awakening.  To say that people will suddenly disregard the 3DS versions for Vita versions is highly erroneous.  The best Sony can hope for is that the Vita versions do well alongside their 3DS counterparts.  Japan has seemingly welcomed Monster Hunter with open arms on the 3DS, which will be further evidenced when MH4 releases.  In any case, Sony has lost exclusivity of a franchise that was key to their prior success in the most important market for portable game systems, and it's unquestionably a serious blow.



In the West? Yes.
In Japan? No.

Overall? No



Ssenkahdavic said:
In the West? Yes.
In Japan? No.

Overall? No

Even in the west the vita will not nearly reach PSP sales.

Looking two years in the future I see no Vita there. I think Sony will cut off the vita, because has big financial problems and no money for save the vita.



z101 said:
Ssenkahdavic said:
In the West? Yes.
In Japan? No.

Overall? No

Even in the west the vita will not nearly reach PSP sales.

Looking two years in the future I see no Vita there. I think Sony will cut off the vita, because has big financial problems and no money for save the vita.

I think 2 years is a bit pre-emptive. With a bit more advertising, more games and also (perhaps) a lower price, the system should take off. 

I see it like this: 

West- 55mil

Japan- 10mil

 

Overall- 65mil



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.