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Will the Vita outsell the PSP?

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logic56 on 31 March 2012
Conegamer said:
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

I highly doubt anyone is going to bother with Monster Hunter on 3ds once it makes it way to Vita

And you have any evidence of this because...?

IF it ever makes its way to the Vita, the MHP3rd for the 3DS will have been out for well over a year, and MH4 for the 3DS would also have been released. Now, whatever Sony get for the Vita (if anything), it won't undo those sales, and thus the community and support behind the games. So sales won't just 'dry up', if they take much of a hit at all. The only console to take a hit from it would be the Vita itself.

A fully featured Vita Monster Hunter would render any effort on the 3ds completely obsolete, my assumption is Japanese gamers will know this and buy accoringly, sales won't dry up at all, but be about as relevant as COD is on wii

You say this, but again, you have no evidence to base this on, other than hope. 

Let's put it this way. The 3DS Monster Hunter game, which is a remake of a port of a port of the original game, on a new system, has sold 1.34mil in Japan.

The 3DS has sold 5.4mil. That's an attach rate of 25%, or every 1 in 4 3DS owners has a copy of the game. and this number was MUCH larger last year, closer to 1 in 2. Can you imagine what will happen when a brand-new game with brand-new features is released? It'll explode! The Vita can't compete with that. 

 

As such, when the Vita MH is released, it'll be too late, because it'll likely be a year or more after MH4 I'd imagine. So the fanbase would be on the 3DS, and it's doubtful all of them, and more, would buy the Vita game, especially if it's not new. So the Vita game would be the irrevelant one.

I have hardware specs to base that on, it's a little more concrete than hope

and it doesn't matter that it's sales are when there is no monster hunter on Vita, those sales will be completely irrelevant the moment the definite version makes it's way to Vita

 



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Conegamer on 31 March 2012
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:

You say this, but again, you have no evidence to base this on, other than hope. 

Let's put it this way. The 3DS Monster Hunter game, which is a remake of a port of a port of the original game, on a new system, has sold 1.34mil in Japan.

The 3DS has sold 5.4mil. That's an attach rate of 25%, or every 1 in 4 3DS owners has a copy of the game. and this number was MUCH larger last year, closer to 1 in 2. Can you imagine what will happen when a brand-new game with brand-new features is released? It'll explode! The Vita can't compete with that. 

 

As such, when the Vita MH is released, it'll be too late, because it'll likely be a year or more after MH4 I'd imagine. So the fanbase would be on the 3DS, and it's doubtful all of them, and more, would buy the Vita game, especially if it's not new. So the Vita game would be the irrevelant one.

I have hardware specs to base that on, it's a little more concrete than hope

and it doesn't matter that it's sales are when there is no monster hunter on Vita, those sales will be completely irrelevant the moment the definite version makes it's way to Vita

 

Just because the Vita has better graphics, doesn't mean it'll sell better or be the definite version. If that was the case, the Xbox and Gamecube would have outsold the PS2, the PSP would have thrashed the DS, the Wii would be miles behind the HD consoles, and the Vita would be regularly outselling the 3DS. None of these things are happening. 

Your logic seems to be, since the Vita has prettier graphics and more control options, it'll be the best version. This is not the case, not least because we know nothing about it yet, or if they'll even be a game. 

And sales won't be irrevelant if a Vita version is released. Does the 15million headstart the 3DS has over the Vita mean nothing, for example?



 

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MARCUSDJACKSON on 31 March 2012

looks like i've missed a great debate. i'll jump in when see blood



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Conegamer on 31 March 2012
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
looks like i've missed a great debate. i'll jump in when see blood

Don't worry, that won't happen. I'm unbeatable



 

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MARCUSDJACKSON on 31 March 2012
Conegamer said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
looks like i've missed a great debate. i'll jump in when see blood

Don't worry, that won't happen. I'm unbeatable

ok the op had to much text for me so Vita will likely no out do psp at this rate. the ip are not there, but i think when the games that catter to each market finaly release Vita will hit hard and shut mouth's



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mike_intellivision on 31 March 2012
thehusbo said:
Vita just needs the big software to come out.. Gta, call of duty, gran turismo, final fantasy, metal gear solid etc. if combined with a price cut the vita WILL match the 3ds in weekly sales. Everyone was laughing at the 3ds when it was in the same situation as the vita is currently in and they both had the same problems. Lack of killer software and a high price point.

People shouldn't be surprised at how the vita is doing. Nowadays the price is such a big factor. When the price cut and software roll in, we will look back at these threads and laugh.


The general assessment that software sells systems is correct. However, for the most part, software from those serieses have been spin-offs or re-releases -- not system sellers.

If Nintendo has locked up new Monster Hunter games, it could be "game over" in Japan, where the Vita is doing the worst (by far).  That would cause the big developers there (which still cast a large shadow over the industry) to ignore the unit.

 

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logic56 on 31 March 2012
Conegamer said:
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:

You say this, but again, you have no evidence to base this on, other than hope. 

Let's put it this way. The 3DS Monster Hunter game, which is a remake of a port of a port of the original game, on a new system, has sold 1.34mil in Japan.

The 3DS has sold 5.4mil. That's an attach rate of 25%, or every 1 in 4 3DS owners has a copy of the game. and this number was MUCH larger last year, closer to 1 in 2. Can you imagine what will happen when a brand-new game with brand-new features is released? It'll explode! The Vita can't compete with that. 

 

As such, when the Vita MH is released, it'll be too late, because it'll likely be a year or more after MH4 I'd imagine. So the fanbase would be on the 3DS, and it's doubtful all of them, and more, would buy the Vita game, especially if it's not new. So the Vita game would be the irrevelant one.

I have hardware specs to base that on, it's a little more concrete than hope

and it doesn't matter that it's sales are when there is no monster hunter on Vita, those sales will be completely irrelevant the moment the definite version makes it's way to Vita

 

Just because the Vita has better graphics, doesn't mean it'll sell better or be the definite version. If that was the case, the Xbox and Gamecube would have outsold the PS2, the PSP would have thrashed the DS, the Wii would be miles behind the HD consoles, and the Vita would be regularly outselling the 3DS. None of these things are happening. 

Your logic seems to be, since the Vita has prettier graphics and more control options, it'll be the best version. This is not the case, not least because we know nothing about it yet, or if they'll even be a game. 

And sales won't be irrevelant if a Vita version is released. Does the 15million head start the 3DS has over the Vita mean nothing, for example?

never said it wouldn't, in fact on the contrary I've often said the opposite

I'm talking specifically about Monster Hunter, Monster Hunter becoming irrelevant on 3ds won't stop Pokemon, Mario, etc from being highly successful.

and yes the 15 million lead means absolutely NOTHING is regards to Vita



Pokemonbrawlvg on 31 March 2012

Monster Hunter for Vita? Already made a thread about it!
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141687&page=1#

Anyway, a slim model or a price cut will definetly help the system, but when will it release, how long that effect would last, and how large the effect would be are questionable. E3 will only tell what Sony has plan for the system.



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Conegamer on 31 March 2012
Pokemonbrawlvg said:
Monster Hunter for Vita? Already made a thread about it!
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141687&page=1#

Anyway, a slim model or a price cut will definetly help the system, but when will it release, how long that effect would last, and how large the effect would be are questionable. E3 will only tell what Sony has plan for the system.

Yeah, there's been loads of threads about it (I made one I believe just before Vita Heaven), it's something that won't go away, until it's released...

@Logic- How can a 15mil lead be irrelevant? It just...can't be. And I'm talking specifically about Monster Hunter as well, nothing to do with anything else on either system. My point is, with so many sales and an established base on the console, it won't become irrevelant if released on another console, the only possible slip in sales would be from the Vita game.

I don't understand what else I can say to make this any clearer...



 

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Conegamer on 31 March 2012
axumblade said:
I personally don't think that Call of Duty would save the Vita unless it's a completely different game than what is releasing this fall on home consoles. I'm leaning more toward a Grand Theft Auto game being able to help the system because GTA is one of the highest selling series on a Sony handheld and even the YOP of GTA:Chinatown Wars almost hit a million in physical sales (not sure how much digital sales were but 70k doesn't seem too unattainable).

Also, to me it feels that Sony are trying to release as many releases before the holiday season to have a competitive holiday with Nintendo. While some people are knocking on the "lack of games coming out." I noticed they didn't just have more games launch with their system than the 3DS but they have a constant flow of games coming out, which the 3DS did not start with. Since the launch of the Vita, they've released quite a few games (Unit 13, MMA Supremacy, MLB: The Show, Ninja Gaiden) and have a lot of games releasing over the next couple of months (LBP, Gravity Daze, Disgaea, Resistance, Silent Hill). And then e3 will launch and give us our next set of games that are to be released on the Vita. This isn't to knock on Nintendo considering that none of those games will ever likely to touch the Mario games and don't really have much of a chance at touching Legend of Zelda: OoT either. It's just an opinion of what Sony are trying to do with the market.

Good points here. A COD game probably wouldn't shake the current install base on the HD consoles, and FPS' never really took off on handhelds. A GTA, whilst possible, is unlikely, what with GTA V coming out soon. This is unlikely to get a release on the Vita, so a new GTA game can be rules out for at least a year or two.

I think E3 will show us what Sony have got up their sleeve for the holidays, and I'm expecting something big and unexpected...



 

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