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Will the Vita outsell the PSP?

Yes! 87 27.97%
 
No! 193 62.06%
 
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Conegamer on 31 March 2012
Mr Khan said:
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

Right, i'm saying they need another miracle similar to Monster Hunter but from somewhere unlooked-for.



The issue is, you just never know where the next big hit could come from. I mean, who would have predicted Monster Hunter would grow into what it is today? Also, I noticed that no game for the Vita has a score of over 90% on Gamerankings, and only one (Rayman Origins) has above 85%. Could the issue be that the games just...aren't that good?

 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

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logic56 on 31 March 2012
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

I highly doubt anyone is going to bother with Monster Hunter on 3ds once it makes it way to Vita



Conegamer on 31 March 2012
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

I highly doubt anyone is going to bother with Monster Hunter on 3ds once it makes it way to Vita

And you have any evidence of this because...?

IF it ever makes its way to the Vita, the MHP3rd for the 3DS will have been out for well over a year, and MH4 for the 3DS would also have been released. Now, whatever Sony get for the Vita (if anything), it won't undo those sales, and thus the community and support behind the games. So sales won't just 'dry up', if they take much of a hit at all. The only console to take a hit from it would be the Vita itself.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Mr Khan on 31 March 2012
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

I highly doubt anyone is going to bother with Monster Hunter on 3ds once it makes it way to Vita

Why would that be? It's on 3DS now, and the Japanese seem to be going for it (seen quite a few of them on the train and elsewhere playing Monster Hunter on their 3DSes). PS Vita would need an existing fanbase first for people to go for it.

This is, of course, assuming that any real Monster Hunter game makes its way to Vita (a port of Portable 3rd HD not being real). Nintendo's going to fight hard to keep it on their side, and they did a fairly good job of pitching Tri in the West, so Capcom may lean on Nintendo's capabilities the way Square Enix is doing with Dragon Quest.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Mr Khan on 31 March 2012
Conegamer said:
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

I highly doubt anyone is going to bother with Monster Hunter on 3ds once it makes it way to Vita

And you have any evidence of this because...?

IF it ever makes its way to the Vita, the MHP3rd for the 3DS will have been out for well over a year, and MH4 for the 3DS would also have been released. Now, whatever Sony get for the Vita (if anything), it won't undo those sales, and thus the community and support behind the games. So sales won't just 'dry up', if they take much of a hit at all. The only console to take a hit from it would be the Vita itself.

Tri G, not Portable 3rd. A port of portable 3rd HD is likely to make its way to Vita, but i estimate that would be the extent of it.



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Conegamer on 31 March 2012
Mr Khan said:
Conegamer said:
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

I highly doubt anyone is going to bother with Monster Hunter on 3ds once it makes it way to Vita

And you have any evidence of this because...?

IF it ever makes its way to the Vita, the MHP3rd for the 3DS will have been out for well over a year, and MH4 for the 3DS would also have been released. Now, whatever Sony get for the Vita (if anything), it won't undo those sales, and thus the community and support behind the games. So sales won't just 'dry up', if they take much of a hit at all. The only console to take a hit from it would be the Vita itself.

Tri G, not Portable 3rd. A port of portable 3rd HD is likely to make its way to Vita, but i estimate that would be the extent of it.

Huh, I didn't realise there was a difference (aside from the extra weapons and the ability to swim. 

I think there will be one, but NOT MH4. Certainly if Nintendo has a shred of sense, that is...



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

logic56 on 31 March 2012
RolStoppable said:
logic56 said:

*entire detailed post deleted for unforeseen reason*

short version:

of all the games you mentioned only 2 of them started out as a huge sellers when they were secured by Sony, GT and Crash (which were first party developed). Only 2 games were secured by Sony as exclusives on the pretense that they are huge sellers ALL of the others were small successes under 5 million

so yeah your wrong, Sony's goal is not to secure huge selling games but games and lots of them and that's it, some do better than others, but few if any are KNOWN to be huge sellers at the time they are secured for PlayStation platforms.

Don't believe me look it up, GTA, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Tomb Raider, etc ALL started out as regular modest success hell even Metal Gear (the one's that came BEFORE Solid)

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/final-fantasy-vii-hits-tv-2466616

http://www.gamespot.com/news/e3-2002-sony-gets-grand-theft-auto-exclusive-2866884

http://www.destructoid.com/sony-doesn-t-buy-exclusivity-somehow-thinks-its-system-works-34309.phtml

These three links highlight a clear change in Sony's M.O. and the Vita is following the latter approach.

Final Fantasy was already quite big before the PS1 (VI sold about 3.5m, making it one of the biggest third party games of its time). VII was the first worldwide release of the series and backed up by a massive marketing campaign that was funded by Sony (Sony was also the publisher of the game in America and Europe).

The GTA exclusivity announcement at E3 2002 speaks for itself, as does the third link. Of course, if you revise history, then it's easy to make yourself believe that Sony will be doing fine, because they are doing the same things as always. But in reality they aren't. Sony used to go aggressively after third party games, but nowadays they don't do this anymore.

those links are nothing more than announcements, I could find that for all the games they announced as exclusive, so I don't see how that refutes my point

@ bold ehh yes and no

yes.) - I think it easier to money hat (talking about Nintendo/Microsoft) when you've been out longer which means a larger instal base by default (advantage had by ps1/ps2) and cheaper than your competitor (also advantage had by ps1/ps2) Sony's problem in recently is that they launch later and for higher price.

No.) - However it doesn't stop the fact the 3rd parties eventually come around, and that's Sony being Sony, so they either launch first and affordable and get massive support first or the  launch late and and get massive support later, either way they still get support, and Vita will be no different, it will be in the get support later, 3ds would still have outsold it by a mile but it wouldn'y mean much of nothing in the end, like the DS effect on PSP and Wii effect on PS3,

Sony's failure handheld last place doomed machine sold 70+ million units, and the money pit ps3 is sitting comfortably at 62 million and out selling both the 360 and wii, and I'm stressing that those are their failures, they have the highest selling first and last place consoles of all time, they have completely re-written what it means to be the "loser". So as far as I'm concerned Sony clearly knows what they are doing, thus no need to worry, just enjoy what you have and wait for the amazing to come (Wipeout 2048 is the greatest handheld racer....EVER)



logic56 on 31 March 2012
Conegamer said:
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

I highly doubt anyone is going to bother with Monster Hunter on 3ds once it makes it way to Vita

And you have any evidence of this because...?

IF it ever makes its way to the Vita, the MHP3rd for the 3DS will have been out for well over a year, and MH4 for the 3DS would also have been released. Now, whatever Sony get for the Vita (if anything), it won't undo those sales, and thus the community and support behind the games. So sales won't just 'dry up', if they take much of a hit at all. The only console to take a hit from it would be the Vita itself.

A fully featured Vita Monster Hunter would render any effort on the 3ds completely obsolete, my assumption is Japanese gamers will know this and buy accoringly, sales won't dry up at all, but be about as relevant as COD is on wii



logic56 on 31 March 2012
Mr Khan said:
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

I highly doubt anyone is going to bother with Monster Hunter on 3ds once it makes it way to Vita

Why would that be? It's on 3DS now, and the Japanese seem to be going for it (seen quite a few of them on the train and elsewhere playing Monster Hunter on their 3DSes). PS Vita would need an existing fanbase first for people to go for it.

This is, of course, assuming that any real Monster Hunter game makes its way to Vita (a port of Portable 3rd HD not being real). Nintendo's going to fight hard to keep it on their side, and they did a fairly good job of pitching Tri in the West, so Capcom may lean on Nintendo's capabilities the way Square Enix is doing with Dragon Quest.

yeah going for it now because there is no Vita version to compare it to



Conegamer on 31 March 2012
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
logic56 said:
Conegamer said:
Mr Khan said:
Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.


I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

I highly doubt anyone is going to bother with Monster Hunter on 3ds once it makes it way to Vita

And you have any evidence of this because...?

IF it ever makes its way to the Vita, the MHP3rd for the 3DS will have been out for well over a year, and MH4 for the 3DS would also have been released. Now, whatever Sony get for the Vita (if anything), it won't undo those sales, and thus the community and support behind the games. So sales won't just 'dry up', if they take much of a hit at all. The only console to take a hit from it would be the Vita itself.

A fully featured Vita Monster Hunter would render any effort on the 3ds completely obsolete, my assumption is Japanese gamers will know this and buy accoringly, sales won't dry up at all, but be about as relevant as COD is on wii

You say this, but again, you have no evidence to base this on, other than hope. 

Let's put it this way. The 3DS Monster Hunter game, which is a remake of a port of a port of the original game, on a new system, has sold 1.34mil in Japan.

The 3DS has sold 5.4mil. That's an attach rate of 25%, or every 1 in 4 3DS owners has a copy of the game. and this number was MUCH larger last year, closer to 1 in 2. Can you imagine what will happen when a brand-new game with brand-new features is released? It'll explode! The Vita can't compete with that. 

 

As such, when the Vita MH is released, it'll be too late, because it'll likely be a year or more after MH4 I'd imagine. So the fanbase would be on the 3DS, and it's doubtful all of them, and more, would buy the Vita game, especially if it's not new. So the Vita game would be the irrevelant one.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.