RolStoppable said: superchunk said: RolStoppable said: What the ANY CONSOLE needs above everything else is compelling exclusive games and a lot of them. Fixed. Enhanced. No, this was really a Vita-specific statement. It's not going to have much, if any, exclusive games that will sell multiple millions of copies, so it has to establish itself through sheer masses of exclusives.

which has basically been Sony's M.O. since the beginning of Playstation

Conegamer said:   Sony can do a few things, but it certainly seems like Nintendo have already beaten Sony to it. The most important would have to be securing the latest in the ridiculously-big in Japan Monster Hunter series, Monster Hunter 4. This game alone should keep the 3DS afloat for a good 12 months in Japan, and if the Vita could get an exclusive game in the series, even a spin-off or port, then it could revitalize sales in Japan. .

This isn't automatically the case: the 360 has seen several Monster Hunter ports, and it has done the system little good. A more contemporaneous port, or a port with added features, would do much better.

BasilZero said: In terms of the west, more support should be made from 3rd party developers like EA/RockStar/etc, you cant just expect Sony to be releasing million seller IPs like Nintendo does.

What, in the roughly 20 year history of modern handheld gaming, makes you believe that Westerns third parties are interested in devoting their big games to handhelds?

thehusbo said: Vita just needs the big software to come out.. Gta, call of duty, gran turismo, final fantasy, metal gear solid etc. if combined with a price cut the vita WILL match the 3ds in weekly sales. Everyone was laughing at the 3ds when it was in the same situation as the vita is currently in and they both had the same problems. Lack of killer software and a high price point.

The difference, as I see it, is that we knew of many big 3DS games even before the system's launch, and more announcements came in at a fairly steady pace. Mario, Mario Kart, etc. were all announced long in advance. I don't think the same is true of Vita: most of the games you outline above are, to the best of my knowledge, merely hypothetical at this point.

RolStoppable said: logic56 said: RolStoppable said: No, this was really a Vita-specific statement. It's not going to have much, if any, exclusive games that will sell multiple millions of copies, so it has to establish itself through sheer masses of exclusives. which has basically been Sony's M.O. since the beginning of Playstation Nope, the bestsellers lists of the PS1 and PS2 show the contrary. These systems had many (timed) exclusives that were multimillion sellers.

not really

accoriding to this site

of the 325 million sellers on ps2, 5 broke 10 million units and only 18 sold over 5 million units

of the 206 million sellers on ps1, 1 broke 10 million units and only 18 sold over 5 million units

and those not only were market leader they dominated thier genreations in ways wii could only dream

playstation consoles sell on breath of exclusives the 100+ million sellers that find their way to the platform, granted some will so better than others, there is always something that catches fire (monster hunter clear proof of this) but those are not what carry the console, ps3 would not have sold half of what it sold last year if not for ALL those games it recieved.

Vita will be the same way, 1-3 games at best will break to 6+ million, but the bulk of it's library with be filled with 1-3 million sellers, once the constant steady stream of games being to be released the sales will pick up and non of you will care

 

 

 

 

 

 

Conegamer said: I don't want to see the day when gaming goes digital-only, but I know it'll happen.

I don't want to see it go that way either. If they can adopt what Steam is doing with game sharing and what not, then I can get behind it. Also, better discounts would sway my position.

RolStoppable said: About 15 of these PS1 games were (timed) exclusives and the same goes for 13 of the PS2 games. Meanwhile, the PS3 has three while the PSP had two titles that fit this criteria. PS1 and PS2 dominated, PS3 and PSP did not. Hm... Hm...? Hm...!

so after much much looking and confirming (believe me it was a tough job doing all this looking and confirming and stuff) I'm so  so soooo so sorry.....but I can't find a single goddamn line where I said it was going to dominate... I mean, wait hold up *goes back to look even harder* nope so umm yeah...I have no idea what the hell your talking about, and remember this is after trying really really hard to understand what you are talking about

and just for the hell of it

earlier in a reply to YOU:

"while I personally think the it has a chance to outsell the psp, it's just not positioned in the market to attract the casuals (children mostly) needed to make it sell more than the 3ds, barring the 3ds tanking for no good reason"

so not only did I not say it was going to dominate I know that it won't sell more than the 3ds, (kinda reminds me of arguments with my mom, which aren't arguments more like aggressive agreements)

but maybe you misunderstood so I'll say it again

the Vita will receive a lot of games the vast majority of these games will not be multimillion sellers, which is the same with all PlayStation consoles, and so your not confused, YOUR point was the same, only it insinuated that's that's NOT the norm for PlayStation console

and just to drive it home

THE PS2 AND PS1 WOULD NOT HAVE SOLD HALF OF WHAT THEY DID IF THE ONLY GAMES THEY RECEIVED WERE THE MULTIMILLION SELLERS!!!

 

RolStoppable said: logic56 said: so after much much looking and confirming (believe me it was a tough job doing all this looking and confirming and stuff) I'm so  so soooo so sorry.....but I can't find a single goddamn line where I said it was going to dominate... I mean, wait hold up *goes back to look even harder* nope so umm yeah...I have no idea what the hell your talking about, and remember this is after trying really really hard to understand what you are talking about and just for the hell of it earlier in a reply to YOU: "while I personally think the it has a chance to outsell the psp, it's just not positioned in the market to attract the casuals (children mostly) needed to make it sell more than the 3ds, barring the 3ds tanking for no good reason" so not only did I not say it was going to dominate I know that it won't sell more than the 3ds, (kinda reminds me of arguments with my mom, which aren't arguments more like aggressive agreements) but maybe you misunderstood so I'll say it again the Vita will receive a lot of games the vast majority of these games will not be multimillion sellers, which is the same with all PlayStation consoles, and so your not confused, YOUR point was the same, only it insinuated that's that's NOT the norm for PlayStation console and just to drive it home THE PS2 AND PS1 WOULD NOT HAVE SOLD HALF OF WHAT THEY DID IF THE ONLY GAMES THEY RECEIVED WERE THE MULTIMILLION SELLERS!!! The current point of contention is if it is Sony's usual modus operanti to establish its platforms by having lots of rather small games. That was your claim and I refuted it. Things that were said in different arguments aren't really relevant here. The PS1 made a name for itself through games like Tekken 2, Crash Bandicoot, Final Fantasy VII and Gran Turismo which were released in either 1996 or 1997 (the Nintendo 64 launched in 1996/97). Subsequently Sony also garnered (timed) exclusivity for games like Tomb Raider 2 and Resident Evil 2. The PS2 was propelled by the massive releases of Gran Turismo 3, Grand Theft Auto 3 and Metal Gear Solid 2 which were all available by the time the Xbox and GameCube launched. So no, Sony's M.O. wasn't a sheer mass of exclusive games like you claimed, rather their platforms were spearheaded by huge sellers (defined as 5m and above). PlayStation dominance ended when Sony was unable or unwilling to execute their previous strategy. But to be clear, this isn't about dominance. It's about highlighting that Sony's M.O. wasn't the same across their four systems prior to the PSV.

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short version:

of all the games you mentioned only 2 of them started out as a huge sellers when they were secured by Sony, GT and Crash (which were first party developed). Only 2 games were secured by Sony as exclusives on the pretense that they are huge sellers ALL of the others were small successes under 5 million

so yeah your wrong, Sony's goal is not to secure huge selling games but games and lots of them and that's it, some do better than others, but few if any are KNOWN to be huge sellers at the time they are secured for PlayStation platforms.

Don't believe me look it up, GTA, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Tomb Raider, etc ALL started out as regular modest success hell even Metal Gear (the one's that came BEFORE Solid)

Andrespetmonkey said: Conegamer said: Andrespetmonkey said: I say let's wait until E3. There will be a big focus of PS Vita (unless PS4 is announced ofcourse but that's unlikely), we will see many announcements of new games and trailers/gameplay for announced games. There will be a price cut this year, I don't see how they couldn't. Haven't Sony already rules out the prospects of a PS4 announcement this year? Or was that the Xbox 720... Or, more likely, both.    The thing is, they can't hang around and let the Wii U get a foothold. That's the main reason the Vita is struggling IMO. That doesn't really mean anything. They can't really say anything other than "Nope, not happening" as that would be like announcing it. But I think it's still very unlikely anyway. Well, yeah. I forgot about that. Fuck man I hope the lineup impresses enough to steal some attention for itself. Also, if there is a pricecut, lets say in time for winter/holiday season, how much do you think it'll drop?

Good point. But there's so many contradicting leaks coming out as of late (at least with the Wii U most leaks indicated a touchscreen controller), it's hard to know what may be real (if any) and what's actually made up. As for a price drop? There could be one in November, around the same time as the Wii U launch to keep it going in the Holiday season. If so, I'd imagine $50/ £50, which would boost sales by quite a bit IMO...

Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.

Mr Khan said: Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales.

I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

Conegamer said: Mr Khan said: Vita will have the same problem PSP has had, because Sony hasn't really seen the issue. The Vita will need a Japanese Miracle similar to the miracle in the form of Monster Hunter that came to the PSP if it wants to ever touch PSP's lifetime sales. I'd have to agree, however, can Sony rely on Monster Hunter again, like they did with the PSP? If the 3DS has 2 Monster Hunter games out (including a NEW entry to the franchise), then the selling power of the series for the Vita, while still large, would be nothing like that of the PSP.

Right, i'm saying they need another miracle similar to Monster Hunter but from somewhere unlooked-for.