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sales2099 said:

360 Arcade can be 129-150. 250 gig 360 is 299. Drop 50 off kinect and 100 off each kinect bundle. Given how amazing 360 sold last holiday, this one will see a much bigger spike. 

360 fans don't care about sales anymore? I am the foremost one (I literally am with my YT account) and I always bring up 360s lifetime sales gap over PS3. I think the opposite where Sony fans try to act like sales dont matter when clearly they were enjoying it last gen. 

Seems my history dates before yours. See my explanation explains why 360 fans started things up this gen. You may be too young but I witnessed last gen. Wasn't as big as this gen but PS2 fans always played the exclusive and especially sales card over xbox fans.

Oddly enough last gen I was a Gamecube supporter so I watched from the sidelines :P.

try not to generalize, cause as a PS fan i could give 2........ who wins. the only thing that will matter in the end is history, and facts and there will be plenty whether anyone likes it or not.

if PS3 does outsell the 360 then it will matter, but for many reasons. all this talk of gen's ending and what not, and on one stopped to think of it as a products life cycle.

the product that last the longest wins! crazy concept, but it works .



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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
sales2099 said:

360 Arcade can be 129-150. 250 gig 360 is 299. Drop 50 off kinect and 100 off each kinect bundle. Given how amazing 360 sold last holiday, this one will see a much bigger spike. 

360 fans don't care about sales anymore? I am the foremost one (I literally am with my YT account) and I always bring up 360s lifetime sales gap over PS3. I think the opposite where Sony fans try to act like sales dont matter when clearly they were enjoying it last gen. 

Seems my history dates before yours. See my explanation explains why 360 fans started things up this gen. You may be too young but I witnessed last gen. Wasn't as big as this gen but PS2 fans always played the exclusive and especially sales card over xbox fans.

Oddly enough last gen I was a Gamecube supporter so I watched from the sidelines :P.

try not to generalize, cause as a PS fan i could give 2........ who wins. the only thing that will matter in the end is history, and facts and there will be plenty whether anyone likes it or not.

if PS3 does outsell the 360 then it will matter, but for many reasons. all this talk of gen's ending and what not, and on one stopped to think of it as a products life cycle.

the product that last the longest wins! crazy concept, but it works .

the product that sells the most within the window of being the most current product wins. I find it hard to believe people will care in 2015



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
sales2099 said:

360 Arcade can be 129-150. 250 gig 360 is 299. Drop 50 off kinect and 100 off each kinect bundle. Given how amazing 360 sold last holiday, this one will see a much bigger spike. 

360 fans don't care about sales anymore? I am the foremost one (I literally am with my YT account) and I always bring up 360s lifetime sales gap over PS3. I think the opposite where Sony fans try to act like sales dont matter when clearly they were enjoying it last gen. 

Seems my history dates before yours. See my explanation explains why 360 fans started things up this gen. You may be too young but I witnessed last gen. Wasn't as big as this gen but PS2 fans always played the exclusive and especially sales card over xbox fans.

Oddly enough last gen I was a Gamecube supporter so I watched from the sidelines :P.

try not to generalize, cause as a PS fan i could give 2........ who wins. the only thing that will matter in the end is history, and facts and there will be plenty whether anyone likes it or not.

if PS3 does outsell the 360 then it will matter, but for many reasons. all this talk of gen's ending and what not, and on one stopped to think of it as a products life cycle.

the product that last the longest wins! crazy concept, but it works .

the product that sells the most within the window of being the most current product wins. I find it hard to believe people will care in 2015

you don't truly believe that do you? PS fanboys will rejoice, while Xbox fanboys will counter with (it doesn't matter cause the 7th gen. war is over) while PS fanboys will say (Sony had a 10 yr. vision for PS3 and 2015 is just yr. 9) don't tell me you don't see this.

i know you know this, but windows don't stop products from selling, and you can't confine anything to an imaginary window or timeline.



zero129 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
zero129 said:
VGKing said:
zero129 said:
VGKing said:
zero129 said:
Wii launched last and wiped out the PS3 and 360 in sales.
@Chark i don't think the xbox 360 having a 3 million lead over the PS3 is having almost all their lead lost, if it was 1 million lead i could see where you are coming from, but the 360 has pretty much kept that 3 million lead all this gen.
Back to the OP, the Saturn launched before the PS1 look what happened there, same with the Dreamcast etc.
Launching first doesn't mean you are going to win. It takes a number of factors, such as price, games and mass appeal.

The Xbox 360 sold ~8 million within its first year.(Launch in late 2005 to end of 2006)

The PS3 has done an excellent job of brining the lead way down. If you align the launches, then the PS3 is the winner.(Anyone good with charts?)
That 3 mil goes down each and every year(except 2011 if you belive Microsoft over VgChartz)

That is mighty impressive for a console that infamously launched at $600.

So it took them a whole 5-6 years plus alot of price cuts, plus pretty much owning japan over the 360, as it just doesn't sell there unlike the PS3 does in the USA, as the PS3 does sell in the USA to gain 5 million. And yet it hasn't been able to break that 3 million gap in how long??. as everytime it gains in on that 3 million gap by the time the holidays comes around it goes right back to square one for sony.

Also to you're comment "When PS3 surpasses the XBox 360(it will one day) it will be a huge accomplishment. Don't try and downplay that."

Only to Sony Fanboys it will, as Xbox Fanboys will be claiming victory even if it's only a 1 million lead that they win by. and they will have the right too aswell as they will have won.

@Turkish For someone that was ment to be around since the Snes day's i find you're comment very dumb. The Console wars where around since the Snes and the Megadrive even since the Nes and the Master system etc. The Console wars happend after that too in the PS1, saturn and N64 days, and continued on into the PS2 days. One of the auguments Xbox fan's used to use was they had the more powerful system with the better looking games, the sony fans used to say they had the most games and sold the most systems. How the tables have turned hey...

@Solidsnake08 You should be banned for such a comment.

 


Yeah they will claim victory but that victory will be short lived.

Yeah, PS3 is having a hard time bringing that last 3 million down. It happens. Xbox 360 is still a strong competitor and it is still selling. Did I ever say it would be easy or fast for the PS3 to outsell the 360? No. It will take a long time. I say ~2 years after next-gen consoles arrive.

BTW, Sony does not own Japan, Nintendo does.

Then after the next gen starts the victory the PS3 fans are going to enjoy is going to mean nothing, as Xbox will of won...

that made no sense. the Wii won. who cares about second place?

I think it's clear we where talking about the PS3 and 360, and to the bolded it seems PS3 fans do, as like i said once next gen comes around it wont matter if the PS3 over takes the 360 for 2nd place or not.

srry i contradicted myself. see my post with sales2099.

don't generalize(i'm repeating myself needlessly here) any fan base. i'm a PS fan and couldn't care who wins.

well then again maybe you should read my whole post to sales2099.

if you want to talk about gen's ending and what not, the PS3's was set before it was released. 10 yr.'s 2016, and if PS3 outsells either Wii or 360 then it's within the consoles given timeline/life cycle, and that's still victory to some.



zero129 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

srry i contradicted myself. see my post with sales2099.

don't generalize(i'm repeating myself needlessly here) any fan base. i'm a PS fan and couldn't care who wins.

well then again maybe you should read my whole post to sales2099.

if you want to talk about gen's ending and what not, the PS3's was set before it was released. 10 yr.'s 2016, and if PS3 outsells either Wii or 360 then it's within the consoles given timeline/life cycle, and that's still victory to some.

You're right i shouldnt generalize. And truth be told, i don't even think PS fans will care or even xbox fans, as they will be too busy arguing over who is going to win out of the Nextbox or the PS4.

i'm not so sure. no matter how far into the 8th gen we get, once PS3 passes the 360, the shit storm will come, and that's one argument i won't even bother getting into.

looking at a few of the trends, yr. ending 2013, or mid 2014 PS3 will likely have passed 360. you know PS3 leading the first 10 months, then lossing the last 2 months, only to lead once again.

i've often argued against repeat yr.'s, but after being wrong about it last yr., i'd like to be right in the future lol. 



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BasilZero said:
360 got enough steam to maintain in the sales ahead of the PS3 even though the PS3 pretty much almost caught up to it in a few years after release.

Dreamcast was released before PS2 right? Anything can happen I guess.


i'm not sure if that was a reall question or not but Dreamcast was first out the gate in the 6th gen.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
sales2099 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
sales2099 said:

360 Arcade can be 129-150. 250 gig 360 is 299. Drop 50 off kinect and 100 off each kinect bundle. Given how amazing 360 sold last holiday, this one will see a much bigger spike. 

360 fans don't care about sales anymore? I am the foremost one (I literally am with my YT account) and I always bring up 360s lifetime sales gap over PS3. I think the opposite where Sony fans try to act like sales dont matter when clearly they were enjoying it last gen. 

Seems my history dates before yours. See my explanation explains why 360 fans started things up this gen. You may be too young but I witnessed last gen. Wasn't as big as this gen but PS2 fans always played the exclusive and especially sales card over xbox fans.

Oddly enough last gen I was a Gamecube supporter so I watched from the sidelines :P.

try not to generalize, cause as a PS fan i could give 2........ who wins. the only thing that will matter in the end is history, and facts and there will be plenty whether anyone likes it or not.

if PS3 does outsell the 360 then it will matter, but for many reasons. all this talk of gen's ending and what not, and on one stopped to think of it as a products life cycle.

the product that last the longest wins! crazy concept, but it works .

the product that sells the most within the window of being the most current product wins. I find it hard to believe people will care in 2015

you don't truly believe that do you? PS fanboys will rejoice, while Xbox fanboys will counter with (it doesn't matter cause the 7th gen. war is over) while PS fanboys will say (Sony had a 10 yr. vision for PS3 and 2015 is just yr. 9) don't tell me you don't see this.

i know you know this, but windows don't stop products from selling, and you can't confine anything to an imaginary window or timeline.

Correction. I find it hard to believe any sane/normal people will care in 2015 :P. Offcourse I know full well PS3 fanboys will rejoice while Nintendo and Xbox gamers moved on long ago.

(I hope this isn't ban able as I am not referring to anybody on this forum by those words I just said)



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
sales2099 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
sales2099 said:

360 Arcade can be 129-150. 250 gig 360 is 299. Drop 50 off kinect and 100 off each kinect bundle. Given how amazing 360 sold last holiday, this one will see a much bigger spike. 

360 fans don't care about sales anymore? I am the foremost one (I literally am with my YT account) and I always bring up 360s lifetime sales gap over PS3. I think the opposite where Sony fans try to act like sales dont matter when clearly they were enjoying it last gen. 

Seems my history dates before yours. See my explanation explains why 360 fans started things up this gen. You may be too young but I witnessed last gen. Wasn't as big as this gen but PS2 fans always played the exclusive and especially sales card over xbox fans.

Oddly enough last gen I was a Gamecube supporter so I watched from the sidelines :P.

try not to generalize, cause as a PS fan i could give 2........ who wins. the only thing that will matter in the end is history, and facts and there will be plenty whether anyone likes it or not.

if PS3 does outsell the 360 then it will matter, but for many reasons. all this talk of gen's ending and what not, and on one stopped to think of it as a products life cycle.

the product that last the longest wins! crazy concept, but it works .

the product that sells the most within the window of being the most current product wins. I find it hard to believe people will care in 2015

you don't truly believe that do you? PS fanboys will rejoice, while Xbox fanboys will counter with (it doesn't matter cause the 7th gen. war is over) while PS fanboys will say (Sony had a 10 yr. vision for PS3 and 2015 is just yr. 9) don't tell me you don't see this.

i know you know this, but windows don't stop products from selling, and you can't confine anything to an imaginary window or timeline.

Correction. I find it hard to believe any sane/normal people will care in 2015 :P. Offcourse I know full well PS3 fanboys will rejoice while Nintendo and Xbox gamers moved on long ago.

(I hope this isn't ban able as I am not referring to anybody on this forum by those words I just said)

ninty fans may be, but MS fansboys likely not. once it's mentioned you know how it will turn out. as the 8th gen. war rages on. the 7th gen. will continuously be referenced, so it won't die down. as long as the PS360 are on the market, you should expect this.

if the 360 gets discontinued it may be worse.

i don't see anything ban able.

remember we are just holding a conversation, it's not a debate. i just want you to remember that it takes 2 sides to tango and as long as consoles are placed into war, by the very gamers that support the systems/industry, then there will be those who defend, those who counter, the rational ones who will get caut in the middle, and the fanboys.

just because one gen ends, doesn't mean the war is over. have you seen many rational fanboys on either side this gen.? no they just put their guns away.

all they need is ammo. come on sales, you're killingme here! the 7th gen. is ammo, and it will be used no matter how relevant it is, and i know you know this.

how often has the 6th gen. been brought in in regarding something this gen.? it won't die down, and it won't end, so just get the beer and popcorn, and hell lets have a BBQ, for how ever long the 8th gen last.

don't tell me it won't happen sales. and yes, they'll have to be pretty insane to care in 2015, but you've been here for how long now?



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
ninty fans may be, but MS fansboys likely not. once it's mentioned you know how it will turn out. as the 8th gen. war rages on. the 7th gen. will continuously be referenced, so it won't die down. as long as the PS360 are on the market, you should expect this.

if the 360 gets discontinued it may be worse.

i don't see anything ban able.

remember we are just holding a conversation, it's not a debate. i just want you to remember that it takes 2 sides to tango and as long as consoles are placed into war, by the very gamers that support the systems/industry, then there will be those who defend, those who counter, the rational ones who will get caut in the middle, and the fanboys.

just because one gen ends, doesn't mean the war is over. have you seen many rational fanboys on either side this gen.? no they just put their guns away.

all they need is ammo. come on sales, you're killingme here! the 7th gen. is ammo, and it will be used no matter how relevant it is, and i know you know this.

how often has the 6th gen. been brought in in regarding something this gen.? it won't die down, and it won't end, so just get the beer and popcorn, and hell lets have a BBQ, for how ever long the 8th gen last.

don't tell me it won't happen sales. and yes, they'll have to be pretty insane to care in 2015, but you've been here for how long now?


Which account you talking about?



JazzyJeez said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
ninty fans may be, but MS fansboys likely not. once it's mentioned you know how it will turn out. as the 8th gen. war rages on. the 7th gen. will continuously be referenced, so it won't die down. as long as the PS360 are on the market, you should expect this.

if the 360 gets discontinued it may be worse.

i don't see anything ban able.

remember we are just holding a conversation, it's not a debate. i just want you to remember that it takes 2 sides to tango and as long as consoles are placed into war, by the very gamers that support the systems/industry, then there will be those who defend, those who counter, the rational ones who will get caut in the middle, and the fanboys.

just because one gen ends, doesn't mean the war is over. have you seen many rational fanboys on either side this gen.? no they just put their guns away.

all they need is ammo. come on sales, you're killingme here! the 7th gen. is ammo, and it will be used no matter how relevant it is, and i know you know this.

how often has the 6th gen. been brought in in regarding something this gen.? it won't die down, and it won't end, so just get the beer and popcorn, and hell lets have a BBQ, for how ever long the 8th gen last.

don't tell me it won't happen sales. and yes, they'll have to be pretty insane to care in 2015, but you've been here for how long now?


Which account you talking about?

uuuuuuh am i being punk'd?

i doesn't matter really