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cloud1161 said:

Releasing a console first in a generation seems, at least to me, a key factor in being the most successful console sales wise.  I know this is still way too premature, but just judging from the 20k drop in sales of the Vita while the 3DS remains relatively unchanged is saying something.  Likewise, I believe that the DS was out before PSP (not entirely sure) and it did not necessarily crush the PSP but it was a clear victor sales wise.  I think the Wii was the first of the current home console generation as well and it had a demanding lead for a while, but now it is severely dying down.  The PS2 was the first of that generation I know because both Microsoft and Nintendo stated that the PS2 was far inferior compared to their consoles and they felt no threat of the PS2 being released first, but the PS2 was the most successfull home console to date.  I can't remember the time's of any other releases.  I know there's the whole aligned launches argument and I usually agree that that is the only fair way to judge sales success, but it seems those released first have the best aligned first two or three years as well.  I am by no means saying that the console that sales the most is the best, it's just a speculation about numbers and release dates.  Please correct me if any of my relative release dates are off.

360 released a full year before the Wii and PS3.

DS released only months before PSP.

 

And yes, there is a trend, but releasing early isn't a garenteed win. The Sega Genesis released a year before the SNES and the 360 released before the Wii/PS3, and both lost to Nintendo.

 

However what's a more probably trend is the cheapest/weakest powered system gets the most sales. Wii beat PS360, DS beat PSP, PS2 beat GCN and XB, PS1 beat N64, and Gameboy crushed Gamegear and Atari. All the winners were graphically weak and started with lower price tags (although compeditors eventually lowered their price tag below the cost of the successful system, e.g. GCN was cheaper then PS2 end of life, and 360 is about as cheap as Wii now). So long as your not Sega, this rule has been absolute for Nintendo and Sony.



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zero129 said:
Wii launched last and wiped out the PS3 and 360 in sales.
@Chark i don't think the xbox 360 having a 3 million lead over the PS3 is having almost all their lead lost, if it was 1 million lead i could see where you are coming from, but the 360 has pretty much kept that 3 million lead all this gen.
Back to the OP, the Saturn launched before the PS1 look what happened there, same with the Dreamcast etc.
Launching first doesn't mean you are going to win. It takes a number of factors, such as price, games and mass appeal.

The Xbox 360 sold ~8 million within its first year.(Launch in late 2005 to end of 2006)

The PS3 has done an excellent job of brining the lead way down. If you align the launches, then the PS3 is the winner.(Anyone good with charts?)
That 3 mil goes down each and every year(except 2011 if you belive Microsoft over VgChartz)

That is mighty impressive for a console that infamously launched at $600.



sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
zero129 said:
Turkish said:
zero129 said:
UnitSmiley said:
zero129 said:
Wii launched last and wiped out the PS3 and 360 in sales.
@Chark i don't think the xbox 360 having a 3 million lead over the PS3 is having almost all their lead lost, if it was 1 million lead i could see where you are coming from, but the 360 has pretty much kept that 3 million lead all this gen.
Back to the OP, the Saturn launched before the PS1 look what happened there, same with the Dreamcast etc.
Launching first doesn't mean you are going to win. It takes a number of factors, such as price, games and mass appeal.


I'm pretty sure the 360 had a much bigger lead than PS3, and for this entire gen that lead has been shrinking.

Mostly cos of japan cos they seem to hate the 360 over there (Don't know why, as MS has tried to do alot more then sony to win them over). But still a 3 million lead is 3 million and im pretty sure the lead was only something like 5 or 6 millon (I could be wrong??). so no matter what way it goes by the time next gen comes around MS will of beat sony this gen when it comes to sales. As the is no way Sony is going to be able to catch up with that 3 million lead with the time they have left.

Who says this gen is closed when the next generation releases lol? The PS2 gen is still going shipping still millions of consoels/yearly. And yes, people will care when PS3 passes 360 this year, next year or the year after. And it will probably happen before either the nextbox or PS4 releases in holiday 2013/2014. The month before PS3 Slim released in 2009, the 360 had almost a 9 million lead LOL. Its down to like 2.5 million or so.

Sure the PS3 might outsell the x360  after this gen is closed. But that still means they lost. The 360 has a lead of 3 million units do you know how much the PS3 would have to sell to catch up to that within 1-2 years??, it would have to be alot more then 20-30k a week. The 360 has kept it's lead all this gen like another user said with no help from one of the 3rd big markets (Japan), going up against a console that was coming of the success from the PS2, i think that in it's own right was a big success and then to finish in 2nd this gen is an even bigger one. By the time next gen comes around no one is going to care if the PS3 over takes the 360 or not...

I can use the same excuses too: PS3 is catching on to the 360 despite costing more, not selling in the biggest market(NA), and despite all the effort of the media bashing the PS3 its doing pretty good. Not to mention it closed a 6 million gap. What makes you think it won't close a 2.8 million gap lol? The 360 may have kept its lead, but its going down week after week, month after month. Its probably around 20 months before nextxbox/PS4 will launch, by that time PS3 will catch on. And yes, people will care, because consoles don't stop selling after a new one comes out, especially not with all the sales drama and fanboyism that arose this gen. People won't forget the "ps3 dont no sell", just like people didn't forget "ps3 dont have no gaemz". It will all backfire to them. :)

PS3 is only catching up based on its brand name from the past 2 generations and the help of Japan. Also its notable that 360 hasnt dropped its prices since Summer of 2008.PS3 has had a overall $150 price drop over the last three years to stay competitive. No matter how you slice it, being on topic, releasing later and their cockiness has completely ruined their steller market position they used to have.

And like the other guy said, even if PS3 overtakes 360, itll be after the gen is over, it wont take away the xbox brands impressive gen over gen improvement, and therefore will be a hollow victory due to PS3 never matching what the PS2 could do. But really, whos gonna care if PS3 overtakes 360 after the next gen begins other then desperate Sony fans? The Xbox fans will simply say "we beat you when the gen mattered and now were too busy cheering on the next Xbox beating the PS4 :D". For example, PS2 still sells today. But really, do you see anybody saying "PS2 still owns xbox and Gamecube in 2012!!!!!"? That gen is long over and therefore the people have moved on. 

Maybe the 360 hasnt got an official pricecut since 2008, but its become alot cheaper over the years. Here in Europe a 360 costs like 170 euros, with Kinect bundle 230 euros. In 2008 You had to pay 300 euros for an Arcade version.

No one really knows when PS3 will overtake the 360, I predict Q1 2013, almost a full year before the next HD consoles supposedly release. It will matter to a lot of people.It won't matter to some fanboys cuz they want to forget what they said at the start of the gen. No one says PS2 owned and smashed the xbox and gamecube, because there wasn't fanboyism like nowadays. This stupid console wars started with the xbox fanboys saying PS3 has no gamez and no salez, it will backfire to them.

Q1 2013? Even thought we all know MS is dropping the 360 price this year, couple with Halo 4 and therefore a LOT of MS marketing $$$$ being thrown around this holiday? I predict 2015 and onward, but thats me. 

But I dont see how it would matter to anybody if PS3 eventually overtakes 360 when the next gen is well under way. The spotlight is off them and it went to the next wave. Logically, the only people who would care would be sensitive Sony fans. 

"This stupid console wars started with the xbox fanboys saying PS3 has no gamez and no salez, it will backfire to them"

Correction. The console war started with PS2 fanboys saying Xbox/Gamecube had no games and sales. It all ready backfired on them now :P. The only reason why fanboyism is so great this gen then any other is because Sony lost its lead and the fans cant deal. After 6 years you'd think they accept it by now. 

Don't think anyone is denying that Sony lost a lot of marketshare this gen. If anyone is sensitive here it would be Xbox fans who set some sort of deadline of when the PS3 has to outsell the 360 in order to feel better of any sort of minor lead the 360 may have by the end of this gen.

When PS3 surpasses the XBox 360(it will one day) it will be a huge accomplishment. Don't try and downplay that.

@Bold
Are you saying PS3 has no games or sales? PS3 has the strongest line-up of exclusives IMO and it's the best selling home console each and every week.



zero129 said:
UnitSmiley said:
zero129 said:
Wii launched last and wiped out the PS3 and 360 in sales.
@Chark i don't think the xbox 360 having a 3 million lead over the PS3 is having almost all their lead lost, if it was 1 million lead i could see where you are coming from, but the 360 has pretty much kept that 3 million lead all this gen.
Back to the OP, the Saturn launched before the PS1 look what happened there, same with the Dreamcast etc.
Launching first doesn't mean you are going to win. It takes a number of factors, such as price, games and mass appeal.


I'm pretty sure the 360 had a much bigger lead than PS3, and for this entire gen that lead has been shrinking.

Mostly cos of japan cos they seem to hate the 360 over there (Don't know why, as MS has tried to do alot more then sony to win them over). But still a 3 million lead is 3 million and im pretty sure the lead was only something like 5 or 6 millon (I could be wrong??). so no matter what way it goes by the time next gen comes around MS will of beat sony this gen when it comes to sales. As the is no way Sony is going to be able to catch up with that 3 million lead with the time they have left.

They might not outtsell the XBox 360 by the end of the gen, but it's almost guaranteed they will outsell it lifetime.

Oh and its not that Japanese gamers hate the Xbox 360, they just can't be bought. Xbox 360 has some exclusive JRPGs but none of them are 1st party. If Microsoft was really trying they would get a studio dedicated to making games aimed at Japanese gamers.



A 3 million lead of Xbox 360 over the PS3 is far less meaningful than it was before. The higher the install bases, the less difference in marketshare % this gap makes.


And I think releasing first isn't guarantee of victory but it helps. I think price and third party support are very important.



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Turkish said:
sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
zero129 said:
Turkish said:
zero129 said:
UnitSmiley said:
zero129 said:


I'm pretty sure the 360 had a much bigger lead than PS3, and for this entire gen that lead has been shrinking.

 



 



 

 

 

How low can 360s price be? 99dollars? It basically costs less then a Nintendo DS right now. I dont think an official pricecut will be so effective, maybe for the Kinect bundles. But with the WIiU this year, sales of 360 will go down in America.

When the next gen arrives most people will be still gaming in the current gen systems for years to come. Obviously the 360 fans cared about sales the first few years, its highly understandable they try like they don't care anymore, cuz they were wrong.

Last gen, there was no console war, just becoz PS2 had 80% marketshare doesnt mean Sony fans were bashing the competition and vice versa. There was no media hate towards a console like this gen, there were no "PS2 songs" or "xbox has no games" arguments.

Its the 360 fans who started all this console war fueled by a highly anti-PS3 American media crying like little girls how PS3 had no gaemz or no salez. Now that the tides are turning, they want to forget what they said.

360 Arcade can be 129-150. 250 gig 360 is 299. Drop 50 off kinect and 100 off each kinect bundle. Given how amazing 360 sold last holiday, this one will see a much bigger spike. 

360 fans don't care about sales anymore? I am the foremost one (I literally am with my YT account) and I always bring up 360s lifetime sales gap over PS3. I think the opposite where Sony fans try to act like sales dont matter when clearly they were enjoying it last gen. 

Seems my history dates before yours. See my explanation explains why 360 fans started things up this gen. You may be too young but I witnessed last gen. Wasn't as big as this gen but PS2 fans always played the exclusive and especially sales card over xbox fans.

Oddly enough last gen I was a Gamecube supporter so I watched from the sidelines :P.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
zero129 said:
Turkish said:
zero129 said:
UnitSmiley said:
zero129 said:


I'm pretty sure the 360 had a much bigger lead than PS3, and for this entire gen that lead has been shrinking.

 



 



 

 

 

How low can 360s price be? 99dollars? It basically costs less then a Nintendo DS right now. I dont think an official pricecut will be so effective, maybe for the Kinect bundles. But with the WIiU this year, sales of 360 will go down in America.

When the next gen arrives most people will be still gaming in the current gen systems for years to come. Obviously the 360 fans cared about sales the first few years, its highly understandable they try like they don't care anymore, cuz they were wrong.

Last gen, there was no console war, just becoz PS2 had 80% marketshare doesnt mean Sony fans were bashing the competition and vice versa. There was no media hate towards a console like this gen, there were no "PS2 songs" or "xbox has no games" arguments.

Its the 360 fans who started all this console war fueled by a highly anti-PS3 American media crying like little girls how PS3 had no gaemz or no salez. Now that the tides are turning, they want to forget what they said.

360 Arcade can be 129-150. 250 gig 360 is 299. Drop 50 off kinect and 100 off each kinect bundle. Given how amazing 360 sold last holiday, this one will see a much bigger spike. 

360 fans don't care about sales anymore? I am the foremost one (I literally am with my YT account) and I always bring up 360s lifetime sales gap over PS3. I think the opposite where Sony fans try to act like sales dont matter when clearly they were enjoying it last gen. 

Seems my history dates before yours. See my explanation explains why 360 fans started things up this gen. You may be too young but I witnessed last gen. Wasn't as big as this gen but PS2 fans always played the exclusive and especially sales card over xbox fans.

Oddly enough last gen I was a Gamecube supporter so I watched from the sidelines :P.


"You may be too young but I witnessed last gen."

 

LOL get over yourself boy, there was no fanboyism like this gen. I started gaming in the SNES era so don't start with the usual "i'm old to remember and you're too young" drama. There was no sales discussion or who got the best and most games discussion. It was just a fact that everybody accepted that PS2 was superior, but nobody bragged about it. Because everybody and their mothers were playing on the PS2, the people who had GC and Xboxes also probably had a PS2 just like me.

Dont you ever wonder why sales sites like VGchartz, or comparison sites like factsvsfanboys.com, or fanboy sites started popping up at the start of this gen.



it can help or it can backfire, depends how the product is launched.



sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
sales2099 said:
Turkish said:
zero129 said:
Turkish said:
zero129 said:
UnitSmiley said:
zero129 said:


I'm pretty sure the 360 had a much bigger lead than PS3, and for this entire gen that lead has been shrinking.

 



 



 

 

 

How low can 360s price be? 99dollars? It basically costs less then a Nintendo DS right now. I dont think an official pricecut will be so effective, maybe for the Kinect bundles. But with the WIiU this year, sales of 360 will go down in America.

When the next gen arrives most people will be still gaming in the current gen systems for years to come. Obviously the 360 fans cared about sales the first few years, its highly understandable they try like they don't care anymore, cuz they were wrong.

Last gen, there was no console war, just becoz PS2 had 80% marketshare doesnt mean Sony fans were bashing the competition and vice versa. There was no media hate towards a console like this gen, there were no "PS2 songs" or "xbox has no games" arguments.

Its the 360 fans who started all this console war fueled by a highly anti-PS3 American media crying like little girls how PS3 had no gaemz or no salez. Now that the tides are turning, they want to forget what they said.

360 Arcade can be 129-150. 250 gig 360 is 299. Drop 50 off kinect and 100 off each kinect bundle. Given how amazing 360 sold last holiday, this one will see a much bigger spike. 

360 fans don't care about sales anymore? I am the foremost one (I literally am with my YT account) and I always bring up 360s lifetime sales gap over PS3. I think the opposite where Sony fans try to act like sales dont matter when clearly they were enjoying it last gen. 

Seems my history dates before yours. See my explanation explains why 360 fans started things up this gen. You may be too young but I witnessed last gen. Wasn't as big as this gen but PS2 fans always played the exclusive and especially sales card over xbox fans.

Oddly enough last gen I was a Gamecube supporter so I watched from the sidelines :P.

yea right, more like you was in your basement alone playing halo on your xbox 1. you aint fooling anyone. might aswell take a ban cause vgchartz have been been dead since the holidays were over.



zero129 said:
VGKing said:
zero129 said:
Wii launched last and wiped out the PS3 and 360 in sales.
@Chark i don't think the xbox 360 having a 3 million lead over the PS3 is having almost all their lead lost, if it was 1 million lead i could see where you are coming from, but the 360 has pretty much kept that 3 million lead all this gen.
Back to the OP, the Saturn launched before the PS1 look what happened there, same with the Dreamcast etc.
Launching first doesn't mean you are going to win. It takes a number of factors, such as price, games and mass appeal.

The Xbox 360 sold ~8 million within its first year.(Launch in late 2005 to end of 2006)

The PS3 has done an excellent job of brining the lead way down. If you align the launches, then the PS3 is the winner.(Anyone good with charts?)
That 3 mil goes down each and every year(except 2011 if you belive Microsoft over VgChartz)

That is mighty impressive for a console that infamously launched at $600.

So it took them a whole 5-6 years plus alot of price cuts, plus pretty much owning japan over the 360, as it just doesn't sell there unlike the PS3 does in the USA, as the PS3 does sell in the USA to gain 5 million. And yet it hasn't been able to break that 3 million gap in how long??. as everytime it gains in on that 3 million gap by the time the holidays comes around it goes right back to square one for sony.

Also to you're comment "When PS3 surpasses the XBox 360(it will one day) it will be a huge accomplishment. Don't try and downplay that."

Only to Sony Fanboys it will, as Xbox Fanboys will be claiming victory even if it's only a 1 million lead that they win by. and they will have the right too aswell as they will have won.

@Turkish For someone that was ment to be around since the Snes day's i find you're comment very dumb. The Console wars where around since the Snes and the Megadrive even since the Nes and the Master system etc. The Console wars happend after that too in the PS1, saturn and N64 days, and continued on into the PS2 days. One of the auguments Xbox fan's used to use was they had the more powerful system with the better looking games, the sony fans used to say they had the most games and sold the most systems. How the tables have turned hey...

@Solidsnake08 You should be banned for such a comment.

 


Yeah they will claim victory but that victory will be short lived.

Yeah, PS3 is having a hard time bringing that last 3 million down. It happens. Xbox 360 is still a strong competitor and it is still selling. Did I ever say it would be easy or fast for the PS3 to outsell the 360? No. It will take a long time. I say ~2 years after next-gen consoles arrive.

BTW, Sony does not own Japan, Nintendo does.