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Who do you predict will win next gen?

Nintendo 276 50.00%
 
Sony 130 23.55%
 
Microsoft 86 15.58%
 
Apple 23 4.17%
 
Sega 36 6.52%
 
Total:551
KeptoKnight on 30 March 2012
o_O.Q said:
KeptoKnight said:
archbrix said:
sethnintendo said:
kopstudent89 said:

Hey hey, motion control had a much bigger WOW factor. It shows from people's reactions back then compared to how they view the Wii U. I'm not saying I won't buy a Wii U, I'm just saying that it won't have the mass appeal the Wii had in its first 2-3 years. Wii U demos were ok, but this time hardware is really important since the Wii does have a damaged reputation especially during the last couple of years. 

There's a couple of things Nintendo has to do to appeal to the consumer. First, this E3 is major. They have to be able to tell the consmer, Hey you need this. Up to now it isn't the case imo, and that's due to a lot of vagueness about the Wii U (How are the graphics? Can we use two tablets? How can the tablet be a fun and innovative function? ). Second they need to have sustainable sales unlike the Wii. That has to be correleated to 1. How lasting the hardware can be meaning graphics, AI, etc... The Wii failed miserably there and 2. Continuous software releases. Pro 2008 Wii had a weak and very Holiday oriented software lineup. That needs to be solved and it's mainly through 3rd party software, and even Nintendo management. 

Well said... I suppose I should have cited that while infrared impressed me the most (playing FPS with wiimote/nunchuck) there will always be a fun factor associated to the Wiimote (motion controls).  I had a ton of a fun playing Wii Sports with friends, family, and my current girlfriend.  Wii Sports (bowling) helped me get laid.  Nothing like bringing a girl over to your place so she can play with your Wii.  Anyways, all joking aside...  I believe the potential is there to wow the consumer into possibly buying frenzy that the Wii had.  The high demand was crazy during Wii's first few years.   You even had people considering Nintendo was creating the demand by not producing enough consoles.

I was going to go into about how they can't rely on third party game companies, etc.. but it is pretty obvious they need better support than what the Wii had.  One thing I am psyched about... Only having to enter a FC in once...  I like how the word FC still scares most HD console owners.  Some of them still don't realize that the FC system changed to pretty much exactly what Microsoft and Sony offer.

I agree almost 100% with both of you guys here. 

It almost doesn't matter what the competition does as far as WiiU doing incredibly well; that's all up to Nintendo and Nintendo alone, IMO.  The potential for WiiU to achieve near PS2 level sales (even with the competition selling good as well) is there.  Their lead year performance, agressive pricing, and most importantly, delivering the right 1st party games in addition to aquiring the vast majority of 3rd party offerings (and sustaining them every year) is what will determine whether or not they capitalize on this potential.

The good news is that Nintendo obviously knows all of this too.  The 3DS launch/pricing debacle, as bad as it was, could indeed be the eye-opener they needed to do WiiU right in all of the key areas.

and...

snowdog 2 days ago

Now that they've finally ditched the TEV Unit from the Gamecube and Wii the U is going to see ports from the PS3 and 360 for the remainder of this gen and supply ports to the PS4 and 720 next gen. The confirmed third party support so far is unbelievable, probably the best selection of launch/launch window titles I've ever seen for a console:

Lego City Stories
Ninja Gaiden 3
Killer Freaks From Outer Space
Assassin's Creed 3
An untitled Battlefield
Batman Arkham City
An untitled Tekken
Dragon Quest X
Dirt
Project C.A.R.S.
Darksiders 2
Aliens Colonial Marines
Metro Last Light
An untitled Rabbids game

I'm also expecting announcements of a Monster Hunter title, Resident Evil 6, Call of Duty, Tiger Woods, FIFA and GTA V at this years E3.

And that's just third party titles (although I think Nintendo are publishing Lego City Stories which would make that second party). You can add to that list Pikmin 3, a 2D Mario title of some description, a 3D Mario title of some description, Wii U Sports, Retro's secret title, Monolith's secret title, Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Zelda...the list goes on and on.

 

In terms of software it definitely looks promising, while their competitors are busy keeping the entertainment center locked up in terms of dvd, HBO go, blue ray, Dvr, media player, used games restrictions (rumor), Kinect, Netflix, and the weather forecast.

" while their competitors are busy keeping the entertainment center locked up in terms of dvd, HBO go, blue ray, Dvr, media player, used games restrictions (rumor), Kinect, Netflix, and the weather forecast."

yeah... pretty much...

the 360 and ps3 aren't getting most of those games in addition to many other games not announced for wii u... some even months prior... and they certainly aren't getting exclusives or xbl or psn games...

nope the wii u is the only console getting games...

Good improvements between the last and the next. Looks promising.



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snowdog on 01 April 2012

As long as Nintendo can keep the momentum going I can see them easily selling 10-15m units before the PS4 and 720 are released next year, and this will encourage third party publishers to continue to work on exclusives...and exclusives sell consoles at the end of the day. Many people are convinced that there won't be a great deal of exclusives next gen but if the installed base is there for the U and the other two platform's installed bases are tens of millions of units behind then it makes it a no-brainer imo.

And thanks to the dev costs of U titles being more expensive than Wii titles we'll actually see publishers marketing their software properly. There are a great deal of Wii titles that were stealth released and deserved to sell better.



F0X on 01 April 2012

Considering how much information has yet to be confirmed, I'm waiting until E3 2012 before I form an opinion as to how the Wii U will perform. From what I've heard the past few months, Nintendo may have a few tricks up its sleeve...



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Thechalkblock on 01 April 2012

at this point i'll say nintendo has the gen's handheld on lock.

as for the WiiU's future i'm not so sure, but i do think they're going in the right direction with the tablet controller.

i think it'll be easier to say once we all see what sony and microsoft are cooking up.



theARTIST0017 on 01 April 2012
PDF said:
Before this gen started I thought:

The Wii would flop: did not see the appeal
The 360 would do much better than xbox and would be close to the PS3
The PS3 would emerge as the eventual winner.

All of those were wrong. So my predictions don't hold to much water

WiiU: I once again do not see the appeal of it. It feels like a half step to next gen and not appealing enough to the casual the same way the Wii was. I believe it will sell very well on the back of being the Wii successor. Not enough for first.

PS4: I believe sony will be a toss up between a strong second and a horrible third.

Nextbox: This next gen winner. MS just gets it from a marketing stand point.

You do not see the appeal of the Wii U? Why because you haven't seen any Wii U games yet? Half a step to next gen? And you are basing this off what?

PS4: Why do you believe this?

Nextbox: And once again you are basing this off what? OH WAIT! Let me just remind you if the Nextbox is goint to win next gen (sales wise) the Japanese will have to buy it. Not very likely to happen. And you say that MS gets it from a marketing standpoint. Well then they should have been in first place ever since if that is the case because I haven't seen better advertising than how the Wii was advertised. Just saying bro.



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theARTIST0017 on 02 April 2012
PDF said:
theARTIST0017 said:
PDF said:
Before this gen started I thought:

The Wii would flop: did not see the appeal
The 360 would do much better than xbox and would be close to the PS3
The PS3 would emerge as the eventual winner.

All of those were wrong. So my predictions don't hold to much water

WiiU: I once again do not see the appeal of it. It feels like a half step to next gen and not appealing enough to the casual the same way the Wii was. I believe it will sell very well on the back of being the Wii successor. Not enough for first.

PS4: I believe sony will be a toss up between a strong second and a horrible third.

Nextbox: This next gen winner. MS just gets it from a marketing stand point.

You do not see the appeal of the Wii U? Why because you haven't seen any Wii U games yet? Half a step to next gen? And you are basing this off what?

PS4: Why do you believe this?

Nextbox: And once again you are basing this off what? OH WAIT! Let me just remind you if the Nextbox is goint to win next gen (sales wise) the Japanese will have to buy it. Not very likely to happen. And you say that MS gets it from a marketing standpoint. Well then they should have been in first place ever since if that is the case because I haven't seen better advertising than how the Wii was advertised. Just saying bro.

 

WIIU: I don't see much appeal in the tablet.  Sure there could be some interesting ways to use it but not enough to convince me to buy the system.  I do not think casuals will find it as interesting as motion controls.  Games aside, we only have hardware to judge right now.  The half step comment has to do with how much power its incresing over the current gen.

In my opinion ninty will fail to capture the hardcore/core, excluding the Ninty fans.  I also doubt they can retain as many casuals as before with the Wii.

PS4: Because Sony has the right tools for success but in the past has made some horrible mistakes.  I know nothing off their console I basing it off their track record.

Nextbox:  The idea that MS needs a fading console market to win next generation is silly.  The xbox was a brand new console and managed to defeat veteran Ninty.  The following generation they did even better.   I do not like MS, and do not want them to win the next generation but from my point of view they look like there in a good position to take it.  Once again lil to nothing is none about there console, so we cant kno for sure.


Wii U: You do not see much appeal in the tablet controller you say? May I remind you what Apple is doing to people's wallets with tablets right now? Do you not see the potential in this controller or are you not impressed by progress? You do not think casuals will buy into it, although it is revolutionary once again. Come on man. The half-step comment is also very ignorant because you do not know the power of Wii U, PS4, or Nextbox for that matter, thus you CANNOT make a valid comparison. So do not fool yourself with such ideas -_-

PS4: No comment.

Nextbox: Fading? Are you sure? Would you be willing to bet Nextbox could outsell Wii U without being launched in Japan? Xbox defeated Nintendo? Oh you mean Gamecube, by outselling it by a mere 2-3 mill. Please. The following gen they did better and got crushed by Wii. Nextbox is going to be second place again right behind Wii U. 



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F0X on 02 April 2012

I just want to know what the Wii U's lifespan will be like...



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archbrix on 02 April 2012
PDF said:

1.  The WIIU tablet is nothing like apple's tablets.   The large appeal of the apple tablets are the mobility.   You can not take the WIIU controller with you.

2.  The WiiU will get about 10 million sales from Japan.  Which is great but not impossible for MS to overcome.

1.  Sure, but I think his point is that WiiU gives people an intuitive interface that is highly familiar due to the fact that tablets are so popular.  Obviously the controller pales in overall functionality compared to a tablet.

2.  This is a bit presumptuous.  While it could do even less than that amount (given the state of consoles in Japan), it could also do a lot more with the right games if Japan widely adopts it as its next-gen console of choice.



snowdog on 03 April 2012

Given that it's going to have Dragon Quest X either at launch or soon after launch I think that we can take it as given that it's going to fly off shelves in Japan. And if Capcom have a Monster Hunter on the way for it too then they won't be able to make the things quick enough.



theARTIST0017 on 04 April 2012
PDF said:
theARTIST0017 said:

 

WIIU: I don't see much appeal in the tablet.  Sure there could be some interesting ways to use it but not enough to convince me to buy the system.  I do not think casuals will find it as interesting as motion controls.  Games aside, we only have hardware to judge right now.  The half step comment has to do with how much power its incresing over the current gen.

In my opinion ninty will fail to capture the hardcore/core, excluding the Ninty fans.  I also doubt they can retain as many casuals as before with the Wii.

PS4: Because Sony has the right tools for success but in the past has made some horrible mistakes.  I know nothing off their console I basing it off their track record.

Nextbox:  The idea that MS needs a fading console market to win next generation is silly.  The xbox was a brand new console and managed to defeat veteran Ninty.  The following generation they did even better.   I do not like MS, and do not want them to win the next generation but from my point of view they look like there in a good position to take it.  Once again lil to nothing is none about there console, so we cant kno for sure.


Wii U: You do not see much appeal in the tablet controller you say? May I remind you what Apple is doing to people's wallets with tablets right now? Do you not see the potential in this controller or are you not impressed by progress? You do not think casuals will buy into it, although it is revolutionary once again. Come on man. The half-step comment is also very ignorant because you do not know the power of Wii U, PS4, or Nextbox for that matter, thus you CANNOT make a valid comparison. So do not fool yourself with such ideas -_-

PS4: No comment.

Nextbox: Fading? Are you sure? Would you be willing to bet Nextbox could outsell Wii U without being launched in Japan? Xbox defeated Nintendo? Oh you mean Gamecube, by outselling it by a mere 2-3 mill. Please. The following gen they did better and got crushed by Wii. Nextbox is going to be second place again right behind Wii U. 

Your obviously an avid supporter of Ninty which is fine.  However you are going to argue with anything that you don't like, and your doing so with an opnion not fact.  So stop pretending you know the answers.  Questioning my opinions are fine but you're showing clear signs of fanboyism.

The WIIU tablet is nothing like apple's tablets.   The large appeal of the apple tablets are the mobility.   You can not take the WIIU controller with you.

Japan influence in terms of console sales is not what it used to be.  That is just fact.  

Japan % of total sales:  PS2 = 15% PS3=12% GC=19% Wii: 12%

The WiiU will get about 10 million sales from Japan.  Which is great but not impossible for MS to overcome.

You have offered little evidence for your claimes on ninty dominance.   To assume by just simply having a tablet controller ninty will dominate is not very good reasoning.  The real appeal of the Ninty controller is the dual screen affect that helped the DS.  Not the fact, that is a tablet like the Ipad.

I do believe the WiiU will sell a ton of consoles,  about 20m just for being a ninty console, At LEAST another 20m from being the Wii predecessor.  So I believe a 40m minimum.  The rest of the sales we will just have to wait and see how the casuals, core and hardcore(non ninty ones) gamerssee it.

People argue with things they don't like all the time. That's what makes it an argument. Otherwise it would be more of a debate and that's not interesting. I never pretended. In fact I used the word potential because that's how much faith I have in the tablet at the same time not assuming anything too rash.

You're throwing out numbers. Fine but we will see in the future won't we. And you they way you are predicting the sales doesn't even make sense anyways. 20m for being ninty and another 20 for being the Wii SUCCESSOR (not predecessor). They both mean the same thing and you're pulling the numbers from nowhere land. Of course you are entitled to your opinion so like I said we will see.

I hope you know who controls the living room right now, that'll be a huge deciding factor on where the casuals go. Just saying...



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