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This is pretty much problem for every developed nation. When people have better income they tend to have less babies. That is just how it works. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have exactly the same problem in Asia. Actually they have even bigger problem because of practically zero immigration. In America the situation is not as bad as there are so many immigrants every year. Not to mention the income equality that is a lot worse in America compared to other developed nations. Poor people tend to have more babies. Also compared to many European nations America's population density is relatively low.



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Gamerace said:
Time for the Catholic Church to ban birth control and contraceptive devices!! What? Already has? Oh...

...

You're screwed.

It's the same here in Canada, where the anglosaxon population is more concerned with good education, good jobs and good fun than children, resulting in many women putting off having any children until their thirties or forties and then, often, just one (or none). However it's counterbalanced by large influx of Asian and East Asians whom have lots of children and keep the population growing. Generally speaking, they are all working, contributing members of society and increasingly leaders in the business and political arenas.


When I barely visited Vancouver for a day after a cruise ended I saw a lot of Asians there.  I was a little surprised at the time but I believe the more cruises I've been on the more places I've seen where mainly Chinese companies (main experience is Panama Canal area) moved in to the trade / tourist areas.



It's better for the people to die out, than for them to lose all of their culture and history. I say we just stop and wait for the end, not letting any immigrants into our countries.



Maybe we wouldn't have so many muslim immigrants if we hadn't of propped up and supported so many dictators in the Middle-East, or engaged in policies that made the countries poorer.

Just a thought.



I think your jumping the gun a bit here, population growth in Europe is hardly in that bad of a state, and as Killerman said, Asian nations like Japan are in a MUCH worse position than Europe as a whole is

 

and personally, I think a stable population is better than a rapidly expanding population (like America), I watched a rather entertaining video showing America's population in a few years, it described quite correctly the problems with the amount of food the world would need to produce if America kept growing like it is (here's the video)



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sethnintendo said:
Gamerace said:
Time for the Catholic Church to ban birth control and contraceptive devices!! What? Already has? Oh...

...

You're screwed.

It's the same here in Canada, where the anglosaxon population is more concerned with good education, good jobs and good fun than children, resulting in many women putting off having any children until their thirties or forties and then, often, just one (or none). However it's counterbalanced by large influx of Asian and East Asians whom have lots of children and keep the population growing. Generally speaking, they are all working, contributing members of society and increasingly leaders in the business and political arenas.


When I barely visited Vancouver for a day after a cruise ended I saw a lot of Asians there.  I was a little surprised at the time but I believe the more cruises I've been on the more places I've seen where mainly Chinese companies (main experience is Panama Canal area) moved in to the trade / tourist areas.

Vancouver is about 1/3 Asian now.    In Toronto whites are considered a minority (the largest minority but there are more non-whites than whites)



 

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Christhor said:
It's better for the people to die out, than for them to lose all of their culture and history. I say we just stop and wait for the end, not letting any immigrants into our countries.


ugh, what? when people die out, their culture dies with them. its only logical,



kowenicki said:

Where do you get the idea that Europe doesnt like immigration...

Bit out of date, but gives you the general idea.  Europe has the largest immigration for any continent.

 


yeah i mean, germany for example has borders to 9 countries which have borders to no clue how many as well. there isn't a big ocean between us an asia and even africans come to europe very easily over the see (ok many die because of their shitty ships) because it's not a huge distance from africa to europe.

germany alone has 600k immigrants per year this isn't a small number for a population of 80 million^^

and countries like netherlands and france  have their old colonies in africa where many immigrants come from.

you  just have to look at the cmap and see how easy it is for usa to get only immigrants they really want (engineers or so) only mexico is a huge problem where they "fight" at the border with thousands of soldiers (or border control guys lol) but then?



Ban condoms, assure human rights for children yet to be born and create places for the kids to grow up if their parents don't want to raise them. Since the welfare state can probably pay for it... problem solved ;)

Either that or national socialism a few decades from now, when european economies finally kick the bucket and confrontation with immigrants reach a maximum. Your choice.