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i see more fat whites then anything, mostly because they eat too many carbs/sugar  instead of fats/proteins

blacks are more prone to heart issues and hypertension, its a genetic thing.
asians get something else, i forget what though but its all genetics.

the obesity myth is also linked to genetics, the govt has lied about what is healthy and what isn't. but the instant meals and snacks are what cause the issues.
snack cakes, soda, chips,crackers- all unhealthy.



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usrevenge said:

i see more fat whites then anything, mostly because they eat too many carbs/sugar  instead of fats/proteins


You are right that there are plenty of fat whites (especially in the USA).  However, I was mainly speaking of Blacks and Hispanics on diseases related to obesity.  They are more prone to diabetes than whites.  You ever read any health pamphlet?  Usually, even those state that if you are those certain races to be extra careful or that you have a higher risk of becoming diabetic. 



Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:
 

There are definitely variables, and some people may well sink as economic conditions worsen or the economy changes in a way for which they are unprepared, but it's usually temporary. Even in tumultuous economic times it's self motivated people who will tend to find a way to adapt to a new economy after they've been thrown for a loop while the less motivated tend to just stay at the bottom even after the economy improves. I'm not saying that if someone is poor right now they must be lazy. Similarly, someone needn't be obese just because they're poor. But the trend is clearly there, and a general lack of desire for self improvement is the only thing that makes sense to me. I'm surprised that it's even a controversial point, to be honest, and I'd be outright astonished if anyone would suggest that people have similar levels of self motivation regardless of economic status. I'm aware there are exacerbating factors, like those HappySqurriel referenced, and I'm totally open to another explanation as long so it doesn't rely on falsehoods like, "It's more expensive to eat healthy!" It isn't, and anyone who's ever set foot in a grocery store or even glanced at a supermarket circular should know better.

I'd say it's not an issue of expense, but of effort and education, for this extends not merely into how the poor are less likely to be healthy, but are less likely to vote or participate in civil society organizations (that is to say, participate in an organization independent of the government or their job, keeping the argument open that merely going to church doesn't count as participation). I recently completed an 80+ page paper on democratization, and my findings indicated as well as the research i cited indicates that the greater your economic hardship is, the less likely you are to be able to dispose of your free time in anything, i'll have to say, productive (whether that is getting in shape or pushing for political reform in your community)

Part of it is cultural, of course. Those who are born poor may enter into a culture of poverty that places less emphasis on self-betterment, but i still move that the lack of motivation is environmental and generally not due to the decisions of the individual.

The expense of eating healthy is indeed overstated (unless we want to say that organic only is eating healthy, and even then organic alternatives are not that prohibitive), but the effort that it takes to compile base ingredients into a meal when the roughly-equal-cost bucket of chicken is available at KFC, and available right now, is more daunting.

I'll note that it happened to my cousin, too. She finally got a job in April 2010, and i noted by Thanksgiving of that year that she had rather let herself go, which was likely because of the drastic loss of free time that comes with full-time employment compared to the 9-months of post-graduation job-hunting that she did. The pressures of time are a real factor for the working poor.


I would personally argue that time management skills and prioritization are two key factors in the success or failure of people throughout history; and the poor would be disproportionately made up of people with poor time management and prioritization skills.



pezus said:
Argh_College said:
Is USA Fat population that numerous ?

Here on my school in the other day i saw alot of fat girls... wow i was like wtf these girls are doing, and gets even worst, they are only 19-22, the older they´ll get, the more fat they´ll get. i guess we can blame beer, even if they aint that fat they have big belly lool Thats why i exercise every weekend and when i can weekly.

Im in Portugal btw.

Iceland is apparently one of the fattest countries in the world yet I have a hard time finding fat/obese people that are my age. Maybe they're just hanging at home?

They can't be the fattest because then they wouldn't be the happiest (I believe they won happiest people in world awhile back).  Sure there are happy fat people but I'd like to believe that most of them are depressed about their body yet not enough to actually do anything about it.  I guess they could be fat and smoke a lot of hash to stay happy.



pezus said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Poverty ---> Depression ---> Unhealthy lifestyle


Something like that would be my guess, more or less.

This

Poverty -> depression -> unhealthy lifestyle -> get fat -> depression -> eat more -> get fatter -> more depressed.

It's an endless circle

I would add another component into your cycle, and that is welfare.  Minorities, way disproportionately to their numbers, overwhelmingly use welfare more than Caucasians/Whites.  That contributes heavily to your point about poverty, depression, unhealthy lifestyles, and eating cheaper, high-calorie foods from the frozen section instead of produce from the fresh food section.  Also, it doesn't help that a lot of fast food chains are now allowing you to use food stamps.  Which I think is just horrible.



 

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SamuelRSmith said:
Aren't 60% of adult Americans overweight? When the majority are overweight, you can't really attribute it to minorities.

Anyway, I think badgenome has pretty much covered it.

I will add one point (more of a question than a point), is it possible that some races are more genetically predisposed to retaining fat? After all, black people (the largest minority in America) have more recently left an area where food is scarce. White Europeans have had a steady supply of food for hundreds of years, now. Even before the industrial revolution, there was an agricultural economy.

I mean, the reason behind the difference in skin colour is down to the sun (I think), so maybe this might have an effect, as well.

I could be chatting complete shit. I'm just putting a couple of observations together. I'm now going to sit and wait to be proven wrong.



Hispanics are the largest minority group in the United States.  And what do you mean that black people have recently left an area where food is scarce?  Metabolism is what controls the rate at which food is digested; the metabolism in a black person is no slower than that of a caucasian. 



sethnintendo said:

They can't be the fattest because then they wouldn't be the happiest (I believe they won happiest people in world awhile back).  Sure there are happy fat people but I'd like to believe that most of them are depressed about their body yet not enough to actually do anything about it.  I guess they could be fat and smoke a lot of hash to stay happy.

They are not the fattest, but they're among the fattest. And "happiest" is necessarily a relative thing. If half of adults are overweight across Europe (EU, Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland), then a country could still be marginally fatter than most of the others and still be happier - though perhaps not as happy as they could be.

Though I think Denmark is usually the happiest country. And keep in mind, this is with Rainbird living there. So again, they overcome their problems to still be happier than everyone else even though they would be happier if he left.



This entire thread is based on an initial misconception. You can pick and choose many of the arguments posted in the thread and actually have a good list of many variables that explain why minorities have a greater tendency to health problems in general.



Spedfrom said:
This entire thread is based on an initial misconception. You can pick and choose many of the arguments posted in the thread and actually have a good list of many variables that explain why minorities have a greater tendency to health problems in general.

You're so polite. lol!

I think the 600lb gorilla in the room that a lot are choosing to ignore is that the entire OP has racist undertones.

If anyone bothered to pull up some non-cherry picked information, they'd probably find that obesity is closely related to socio-economic status moreso than race. 



greenmedic88 said:
Spedfrom said:
This entire thread is based on an initial misconception. You can pick and choose many of the arguments posted in the thread and actually have a good list of many variables that explain why minorities have a greater tendency to health problems in general.

You're so polite. lol!

I think the 600lb gorilla in the room that a lot are choosing to ignore is that the entire OP has racist undertones.

If anyone bothered to pull up some non-cherry picked information, they'd probably find that obesity is closely related to socio-economic status moreso than race. 

This. And also culture more than race. Although it's a fact that some food intolerances are more spread amongst some races, but normally undiagnosed food intolerances take the subjects to denutrition and/or malnutrition, not obesity, and also some diseases, but those related to denutrition and malnutrition, not obesity.



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