badgenome said:
Or the same lack of initiative that leads to poverty also leads to obesity. |
That's the ticket.
Minorities are more obese because in comparison to whites, they have less initiative.


badgenome said:
Or the same lack of initiative that leads to poverty also leads to obesity. |
That's the ticket.
Minorities are more obese because in comparison to whites, they have less initiative.


theprof00 said:
That's the ticket. Minorities are more obese because in comparison to whites, they have less initiative. |
Poor people regardless of race have an exponentially greater tendency towards obesity than people who aren't poor.
It's not just about fast food or being lazy but about the access to higher food quality. Feeding huge populations isn't easy and here in America we put a lot of sodium/fat/sugar on almost everything that is cheap so they taste like the real thing. Buying meat for someone that has less money won't be easy. Cheap meat comes with fat and a lot of it. People buy hot dog saussages they look ok but inside reside a lot of sugar and fat. Results they get less meat and need to eat more to satiate resulting in eating more fat/sodium/sugar.
Thing about drinking as they are rich in sugar. Cheap drinks contain less real juice but more sugar. Poor people will buy these "juices" as they cost a fraction of the higher quality drinks. Even water costs more than cheap drinks.
Good vegetables cost a lot too. Lower the quality of th evegetables and watch people not buying them as they taste horribly and are a pain to cook.
In my opinion it's all about how you live and how you're raised. Poor people starve more than rich people and when they eat they need to not be hungry anymore so they eat fast and as much as they can, this is a bad habit as it takes time for your brain to realise you're full. Your stomach will have more food to digest than neccessary. It will put good food to good use and the rest will either be evacuated or stored as body fat. If you were raised with bad habits and bad food chances are that you'll keep doing so when you grow up.
I also think that access to cooking methods is also key in an healthy diet. Cooking in a frying pan is faster than using a stove. I seen people using a ridiculous quantity of butter in their pans because they were of poor quality. All this butter will end up in their food and it's extra fat and sodium. Cooking in the oven requires more electricity and knowledge which poor people lack.
It has nothing to do with being a minority eventhough a high percentage of the fat people are from the minorities.
+ When your stomach is filled with too much food you tend to fall asleep or feel lazy so you do less activity. Also it's like a muscle that will expand if you give it too much work. An expanded stomach needs more food to satiate.

| badgenome said: Poor people regardless of race have an exponentially greater tendency towards obesity than people who aren't poor. |
In America.
Hmm yes, good point. Why is it that this is true almost uniquely in America?


theprof00 said:
In America. |
In the developed world in general. The main outliers are places like Qatar - the richest (per capita) and fattest nation in the world - where physical labor is eschewed and done largely by poorer, less obese immigrants.
It's the nature of a post-scarcity society. Obesity used to be a trait of the rich, the only people who could afford to become obese, but it has now become a trait of the poor.
Asians are statistically less obese than white people for one thing.
The answer is that poverty is correlated with obesity and poor health. The cheapest foods are loaded with tons of sugars, unhealthy fats, and chemical additives. Fast food has contributed greatly to this phenomenon. It isn't rocket science.
| Jay520 said: Going off of what someone else said: Poverty = Cheap food Poverty = Minimum Medical treatment Poverty = Cheap food + Minimum Medical Treatment Cheap food + Minimum Medical Treatment = Obesity + Disease Poverty = Obesity + Disease |
Amen.
Its the same reason why office workers are less obese than blue collar workers, they eat better food.
Tease.
When you don't have to worry about money, you can eat all the expensive food, which are, generally, healthy.
When you work your ass off to make end meets, you end up grabbing a burger or the like, since you don't have time to cook nor the money to buy the expensive healthy food.
/generalizing
pezus said:
Of course, that's what we're always trying to do...to see the whole picture. No point in studying individuals, because we have to have a bigger sample. |
Think about it. You have $5 to spend on dinner, what are you going to end up eating?
And if you have $100 to spend on dinner, you suddenly have vast choices of things you can eat at restaurants that doesn't give you a heart attack.
It's "easier".
badgenome said:
In the developed world in general. The main outliers are places like Qatar - the richest (per capita) and fattest nation in the world - where physical labor is eschewed and done largely by poorer, less obese immigrants. It's the nature of a post-scarcity society. Obesity used to be a trait of the rich, the only people who could afford to become obese, but it has now become a trait of the poor. |
In the developed world. That's your qualifier. And the reason why your statement is untrue.
Obesity has nothing to do with initiative, it is entirely the result of mcdonaldization, the corporate takeover of food industry which prevents cheap healthy food from reaching the market.
The problem has nothing to do with initiative and everything to do with the way modern business works. Modern business works to keep people in debt and keep them from succeeding. You can think of it like DLC. Modern business and industrialized countries give their people a cheap game, and then give them DLC their whole lives. Meanwhile, the rich are able to buy the collectors editions right off the bat.
For example, I've worked very hard for everything I have, and I don't mean very hard as in "being diligent" etc etc etc. I mean working 2 and sometiems 3 jobs, (while going to school) walking 5 miles to get home after 1 am during winter simply to save 1.75$ on the bus...going the summer without hot water, and sometimes as late as early fall. I'm thankful I finally have a job that allows me some comfort after years of hard work, and even now, I'm stuck paying nearly a quarter of my paycheck on past medical bills. I've had to learn to make shady connections with people in which we trade our services (like I hook up a friend with food and in return he provides me a gym membership).
And I still got fat for a while during that period, because all I could afford to eat was hamburger, rice, and corn, and whatever was sent back to the kitchen for being an incorrect order.
So no, I completely disagree with your poverty and obesity correlation to initiative.

