| Train wreck said: I'm guessing Viper 1 doesnt know how to read a balance sheet? |
Still Sony is in horrible condition if you do include outstanding debt, you post made them look slightly better position than they actually are.
Train wreck said:
I'm guessing Viper 1 doesnt know how to read a balance sheet? |
I'm staring at their Dec 31st investor relations sheet. Which I'll admit does show a seperate figure from the one I first posted (which for some reason excluded their financial services devision).
Real Total Cash and Cash Equivelants is currently valued at $9.69 billion according to the exchange rate posted at mid-market today.
The debt is still valid.
As for Nintendo, they have $175 billion in total assets (neither Sony nor Nintendo's assets include the value of their software IPs). I'm also having a hard time finding your figures in any of their IR reports.
The rEVOLution is not being televised
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All Values in Millions JPY (except Per Share) |
FH1 2012 | FH2 2011 | FH1 2011 | FH2 2010 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Period End Date | 9/30/2011 | 3/31/2011 | 9/30/2010 | 3/31/2010 |
| Assets | ||||
| + Cash & Near Cash Items | 719,020.00 | 1,014,412.00 | 837,212.00 | 1,191,608.00 |
| + Short-Term Investments | 582,152.00 | 646,171.00 | 659,052.00 | 579,493.00 |
| + Accounts & Notes Receivable | 720,928.00 | 743,690.00 | 810,028.00 | 891,625.00 |
| + Inventories | 834,354.00 | 704,043.00 | 917,284.00 | 645,455.00 |
| + Other Current Assets | 764,794.00 | 735,730.00 | 1,001,980.00 | 824,691.00 |
| Total Current Assets | 3,621,248.00 | 3,844,046.00 | 4,225,556.00 | 4,132,872.00 |
| + LT Investments & LT Receivables | 5,977,249.00 | 5,670,662.00 | 5,372,086.00 | 5,070,342.00 |
| + Net Fixed Assets | 928,395.00 | 924,868.00 | 931,325.00 | 1,007,951.00 |
| + Other Long-Term Assets | 2,342,940.00 | 2,485,412.00 | 2,480,799.00 | 2,654,949.00 |
| Total Long-Term Assets | 9,248,584.00 | 9,080,942.00 | 8,784,210.00 | 8,733,242.00 |
| Total Assets | 12,869,832.00 | 12,924,988.00 | 13,009,766.00 | 12,866,114.00 |
| Liabilities & Shareholders' Equity | ||||
| + Accounts Payable | 825,492.00 | 793,275.00 | 976,154.00 | 817,118.00 |
| + Short-Term Borrowings | 391,453.00 | 167,513.00 | 250,202.00 | 284,607.00 |
| + Other Short-Term Liabilities | 3,087,035.00 | 3,166,191.00 | 2,987,745.00 | 2,958,200.00 |
| Total Current Liabilities | 4,303,980.00 | 4,126,979.00 | 4,214,101.00 | 4,059,925.00 |
| + Long-Term Borrowings | 616,855.00 | 859,612.00 | 835,662.00 | 924,207.00 |
| + Other Long-Term Liabilities | 5,153,208.00 | 4,982,495.00 | 4,741,109.00 | 4,596,427.00 |
| Total Long-Term Liabilities | 5,770,063.00 | 5,842,107.00 | 5,576,771.00 | 5,520,634.00 |
| Total Liabilities | 10,074,043.00 | 9,969,086.00 | 9,790,872.00 | 9,580,559.00 |
| + Total Preferred Equity | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| + Minority Interest | 426,944.00 | 407,915.00 | 337,564.00 | 319,650.00 |
| + Share Capital & APIC | 1,790,201.00 | 1,790,587.00 | 1,789,544.00 | 1,788,634.00 |
| + Retained Earnings & Other Equity | 578,644.00 | 757,400.00 | 1,091,786.00 | 1,177,271.00 |
| Total Equity | 2,795,789.00 | 2,955,902.00 | 3,218,894.00 | 3,285,555.00 |
| Total Liabilities & Equity | 12,869,832.00 | 12,924,988.00 | 13,009,766.00 | 12,866,114.00 |
Above is Sony, Left most column is the most recent. Below is Nintendo, both in Japanese Yen to keep things constant
| All Values in Millions JPY (except Per Share) | FH1 2012 | FH2 2011 | FH1 2011 | FH2 2010 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Period End Date | 9/30/2011 | 3/31/2011 | 9/30/2010 | 3/31/2010 |
| Assets | ||||
| + Cash & Near Cash Items | 591,280.00 | 812,870.00 | 688,472.00 | 886,995.00 |
| + Short-Term Investments | 295,239.00 | 358,206.00 | 317,306.00 | 365,326.00 |
| + Accounts & Notes Receivable | 48,647.00 | 134,933.00 | 86,792.00 | 130,809.00 |
| + Inventories | 108,642.00 | 92,712.00 | 165,543.00 | 124,673.00 |
| + Other Current Assets | 91,227.00 | 69,985.00 | 109,655.00 | 83,585.00 |
| Total Current Assets | 1,135,035.00 | 1,468,706.00 | 1,367,768.00 | 1,591,388.00 |
| + LT Investments & LT Receivables | N/A | 32,228.00 | N/A | 38,117.00 |
| + Net Fixed Assets | 84,068.00 | 80,864.00 | 78,592.00 | 79,586.00 |
| + Other Long-Term Assets | 158,134.00 | 52,499.00 | 79,565.00 | 51,895.00 |
| Total Long-Term Assets | 242,202.00 | 165,591.00 | 158,157.00 | 169,598.00 |
| Total Assets | 1,377,237.00 | 1,634,297.00 | 1,525,925.00 | 1,760,986.00 |
| Liabilities & Shareholders' Equity | ||||
| + Accounts Payable | 147,540.00 | 214,646.00 | 206,980.00 | 264,613.00 |
| + Short-Term Borrowings | N/A | 187.00 | 0.00 | 190.00 |
| + Other Short-Term Liabilities | 70,610.00 | 118,468.00 | 85,531.00 | 142,734.00 |
| Total Current Liabilities | 218,150.00 | 333,301.00 | 292,511.00 | 407,537.00 |
| + Long-Term Borrowings | N/A | 94.00 | 0.00 | 157.00 |
| + Other Long-Term Liabilities | 17,041.00 | 19,041.00 | 15,859.00 | 16,707.00 |
| Total Long-Term Liabilities | 17,041.00 | 19,135.00 | 15,859.00 | 16,864.00 |
| Total Liabilities | 235,191.00 | 352,436.00 | 308,370.00 | 424,401.00 |
| + Total Preferred Equity | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| + Minority Interest | 206.00 | 224.00 | 164.00 | 174.00 |
| + Share Capital & APIC | 21,799.00 | 21,799.00 | 21,798.00 | 21,798.00 |
| + Retained Earnings & Other Equity | 1,120,041.00 | 1,259,838.00 | 1,195,593.00 | 1,314,613.00 |
| Total Equity | 1,142,046.00 | 1,281,861.00 | 1,217,555.00 | 1,336,585.00 |
| Total Liabilities & Equity | 1,377,237.00 | 1,634,297.00 | 1,525,925.00 | 1,760,986.00 |
When you talk about cash, you are talking about cash and short term investments, investments that can be converted to cash very quickly.
Sony: 719+582 = 1,301 in millions of yen which in this case is 1.3 Trillion yen which is about 15.7 (83yen/dollar) Billion Dollars
Nintendo = 591+295 = 886 billion yen which is 886 billion yen which is about 10.7 Billion dollars
In terms of liabilities, which includes debt and other obligations, yes Sony is in a precarious position but as long as their asset base is more than libalities, they will continue to function.
seems like going too school and paying attention did not teach people too research before dooming someone/something
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I think this generation has taught us that no large gaming company is ever doomed. SEGA is the closest thing that took any sort of major hit, but even SEGA is still going strong as a software developer.
Nintendo is in difficulties, as SCE was in difficulties, and Microsoft was in difficulties before that. They will pass and Nintendo will be fine.
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Nintendo isn't even in difficulties. They had foreign exchange rate difficulties. That accounted for 3/4ths of the loss they took in Q1 and Q2. They already had profit again in Q3.
The rEVOLution is not being televised
Well Nintendo said that they should be picking up their game(litterally) late spring/summer, and with the release of that new Pokemon game(SEQUAL) coming very soon, it makes me wonder how serious Nintendo is about the financial troubles of losing money on every 3DS sold. It IS the first generation sequal we've had. . . However, Nintendo will pull through like always, so it's really no worry. They're just relying a lot on their software sales.
All I know is that after having to play the Gamecube for 5 years, this next system has to be amazing. Maybe bring something new to gaming... a motion controller maybe? Cute little avatar people you can make to play all your games with. Give it a goofy sounding name, and try to bring people who don't play video games into your court. That type of thinking could lead to nearly 100 million units sold inside of six years. I hope they listen to me!
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| Galaki said: They still got that $10B cash in the bank, no? |
10.5 to be exact. They aren't going under any time soon.
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