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Player1x3 said:
Runa216 said:
Jay520 said:
@Runa

No, not really.

You shouldn't do Religion, becuase Religion is bad, mmkay?  


Stop shoving your atheism down everyone's throat.

okay okay, I promise with all my heart that when religious people stop pushing their values and ideals and beliefs down my throat and the throats of everyone else in the world, I will never, ever, ever harass them about being ignorant backwards barbarians. 

Scout's honor. 



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Heavenly_King said:

I concur with your point, but the topic was just about Homosexual people, that is why I didnt write about Heterosexuals.

Heterosexual parents have probabilities to be good parents or not, affecting the kid´s childhood in a bad or possitive way; making the kid into a civilzed human being with an adecuatte moral, with good sense of the enviroment that surrounds him; or a damn parasite that wont contribute with the society and will disrupt it; or something in the middle lol.

Now you have Homosexual parents.     They as well as having the probabilities of being good or bad parents, just like heterosexuals, they have another variant in the equation; that will most probably change the kid perception of reality.

No one is perfect, but if the worst situation is about to happen, I ask you.    In order to have a kid to develop in good, with an adecuate sense of social interaction and repercution (and having in mind the future of the species lol XD); which kind of parents would you choose to raise a kid (remember that both kind have the same probability of being good and bad)???

So in resume even though there are some bad hetersexual parents, that make bad thing to their kids (JUST WRONG); there are also good and caring parents.   Allowing gay marriage and adoption; will make that as well as having to only fix 1 problem, you will have to fix 2.


Gay parents are fine. Nothing is wrong with the children that gay parents raise, instead of a mother and a father, they get two fathers or two mothers. WHAT is the big deal with this?

You fail to realise how amazing a childs mind is, they are far more willing to learn, accept and understand than a teenager or an adult, allot of people do not factor this in, thats why a child learns more in the first 5~ years of it's life, then they will ever learn in the rest of their life. - Gay couples aren't mentally unstable or anymore stupid than a heterosexual couple, they ARE capable of looking after and raising a child in a normal, safe environment.

Now if you are worried about the social aspects of the child and how they will be treated by others... I.E at school... Then that's not the fault of the gay parents. That -is- the fault of Society, Religious groups and heterosexuals. THEY make those kids raised by same-sex couples hard with their derogatory comments and discrimination, this is what gays and lesbians have been fighting for, to put an end to it.

All the points you have raised thus far have either been:  So far left wing that they are deemed incorrect... Or you forget it's the Religious and Hetereosexuals that are the root cause of all the issue at hand that gays and lesbians face. Time to move on. Their are more important concerns in the world; it's time to give equal rights to everyone already.




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I want some science in this thread. Heavenly King, it's on your onus to PROVE that gay parents are detrimental to the mental and psychological wellbeing of children.

I mean, I don't even want to get into an argument like Pemalite is (great animorphs reference, by the way) becuase this is one of those easily onesided arguments that really shouldn't be discussed, it should be obvious.



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Did anyone tell this hag in a dress we already have a Pope? It's a she and she goes by Lady Gaga.



green_sky said:
spurgeonryan said:
ChristianTheAtheist said:
Who gives an "f" about the pope and what he says, this shouldn't be news.


Well, maybe not to an atheist, but it matters to a lot of others. Basically the Pope is saying .."In my opinion", that if you are a gay or lesbian then you are going to hell, and that if you support gay marriage then you are wrong. It matters to a lot of people. Just because you think the Pope means nothing since you are an atheist , you still need to think about the rest of the world. You cannot let anything blind you to the fact that there are others who are not like you in this world.

You rocked it. What a good post. :)

I agree. Well put and not being rude.



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Runa216 said:
Player1x3 said:
Runa216 said:
Jay520 said:
@Runa

No, not really.

You shouldn't do Religion, becuase Religion is bad, mmkay?  


Stop shoving your atheism down everyone's throat.

okay okay, I promise with all my heart that when religious people stop pushing their values and ideals and beliefs down my throat and the throats of everyone else in the world, I will never, ever, ever harass them about being ignorant backwards barbarians. 

Scout's honor. 


So then you're no better these ''ignorant backwards barbarians''. Good that you finally admitted it :)



Player1x3 said:


So then you're no better these ''ignorant backwards barbarians''. Good that you finally admitted it :)


nope, wrong.  See, first and foremost I would never even try to push my 'agenda' unless their agenda wasn't such a massive part of western politics...well, US politics anyway. And the main difference between those 'ignorant backwards barbarians' any myself and other likeminded people is that we use logic and rationale to guide our actions, not an outdated, ignorant book to justify our hatred and intolerance.  TOTALLY different situations.  the fact that you can't differentiate between the two further shows that you're no better. 



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Runa216 said:
Player1x3 said:


So then you're no better these ''ignorant backwards barbarians''. Good that you finally admitted it :)


nope, wrong.  See, first and foremost I would never even try to push my 'agenda' unless their agenda wasn't such a massive part of western politics...well, US politics anyway. And the main difference between those 'ignorant backwards barbarians' any myself and other likeminded people is that we use logic and rationale to guide our actions, not an outdated, ignorant book to justify our hatred and intolerance.  TOTALLY different situations.  the fact that you can't differentiate between the two further shows that you're no better.

you know, the funny thing is, most times it seems to me they use ignorance and hatred to justify the few good things that are said in that book



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

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BluGamer23 said:
the Amazing thing is Catholic church will out live everyone in this forum.. and their children.. and their childrens children.. all these hate on Catholics is nothing new.. nothing can stop it as Jesus has promised. This generation will pass.. and atheist will find new battlegrounds to hate on Catholics.. its just cycle.

1. How could jesus promise that nothing could stop catholicism if it didnt even exist in hes time? People so often forget that Jesus was jewish, and never really denounced being one.

2. Such an unfair statement to make about atheists. People grouping atheists, religions etc. into one stereotypical representation is the biggest problem in this thread and perhaps one of the biggest problems the world has.

 

Because he said so:

Matthew 16:18

18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it.

Since Catholicism began..  as someone has kindly pointed out..

"The 2,000 year old archaic Church should keep out of politics." -Dark_Lord_2008


no one has been able to stop them.. which is true to this day! as Jesus has promised.. 

Aethiest and People who dont agree with Catholic teachings has been trying so hard to stop it.. non successful!.. it is what it is as promised!..

rinse & repeat



 

I am pro-choice in regards to gay marriage. If they want to get married than it should be their choice to make. Neither religion or government should stop homosexuals from getting married.

We call ourselves a modern civilised society but gay marriage is illegal in most places around the world due to organised religions preventing governments from changing the law.

Catholic church is regarded as one of the most ultra conservative religions on the planet and remains stuck in its 2,000 year old beliefs, customs and traditions.