Finally something I can actually agree with you.

Yeah, we could argue this to no end.  The end result is that GT5 runs with 1080 lines of progressive horizontal resolution. 

"For 4 years, PS3 exclusives have dominated awards in the graphics departement. Thats all im saying" 

And yeah, that's all this thread needs before the winding up. Apparently facts remain facts even outside the thread and there's no point in trying to prove it further here.

"How many runner up awards did Alan Wake and Heavy Rain get? If you include those, I bet Alan Wake is about on par with Heavy Rain. Either way, you agree Heavy Rain should not be part of the OP as a graphics king game as many 360 exclusive, and some multiplatform games (ME2, Crysis 2, etc) got as many or more graphics awards?"

Alan Wake being on Par with HR because it came SECOND rather than FIRST, yeah that makes sense LOL.

Coming a close second every time, does matter. Heavy Rain only got 5 1st place awards, if Alan Wake gets 100 second place, and Heavy Rain gets say 10 (overexaggerating), then obviously Alan Wake won more awards.

No, Heavy Rain should not be a "graphics" king because I have played the game, I own it. Im actually playing it as we speak. It does NOT look that good and it never did in my eyes. Awards are a showcase of that.

Good, we can agree on something, I only really inclued Alan Wake as a counter to Heavy Rain, and Heavy Rain was in the OP.

"Many 360 exclusives" ? Man screw this. Listen up clearly:
In 2008, Gears of War 2 won at the VERY least 80% of the best graphics awards.
In 2009, Uncharted 2 won at the VERY least 80% of the best graphics awards.
In 2010, God of War III won at the VERY least 80% of the best graphics awards. IGN gave it to Mass Effect 2, and so did a lot of other websites, GoW3 got at most 50%

no they didnt they gave it to kirby. i cant believe you are trying to say MAss effect 2 is one of the best looking games, its not even close to the level of the best looking. are you serious? by you saying this, it completely discounts any credibility you may have had. i may as well say games like Batman, and Dead Space are the best looking because those games look pretty good, may as well say it 2 close to call.

really when we start mentioning average to good graphical games in a best graphics debate, it doesnt bode well for credibility. its clear you are talking about art style or something not technical. and its clear you are just mentioning games that you like, this is about best graphics. wow.

In 2011, Uncharted 3 won at the VERY least 80% of the best graphics awards.

You're overexaggerating, after Uncharted it's an even list

2009 - With no Uncharted, Batman, RE5, or Killzone 2 (which they have said is < Gears 2 no, no no. that was e3, and one single site, not they. stop lying) would have won
2011 - With no Uncharted, Crysis 2 would win

its already been shown proven and debating to great length that crysis 2 on consoles wasnt near the top of console graphics, with sub HD, tons of screen tear, frame rate drops to single digits, terrible AA, lots of pop in. Crysis isnt anywhere near the graphics of the likes of Uncharted, Killzone, or God of War

OUTSIDE OF UNCHARTED, PS3 has no games that standout graphically This is what the media says..

So look, using IGN as it's the biggest website. They say Gears 2 > Killzone 2, Mass Effect 2 > God of War 3, Crysis 2 > everything else 360, and Crysis 2 is #2 to Uncharted 3. Basically what IGN says, like me, is yes Uncharted 3 is the best, but after that it's a mixed bag. To them Crysis is ontop of the bag, to me it's Gears 3, to someone else it's Killzone.

Thats all you need to know. The top 3 tier, the holy trinity. With The last of us from ND coming and a potential God of War IV.. "yay".

"mmhhmmm I have the same feelings for you. I don't know how you can think that except for UC3, any PS3 exclusive or MP game is better looking then Gears 3. Even if you think they do look better (your opinion right?) it's not that big of a difference, so why you try to press it out to be....it's beyond me."

All im saying is Gears has never won as many awards as both Uncharteds despite being released on the same year. Its not even CLOSE.

And in 2010, God of War 3 has won up to Uncharted standards graphic awards:
Those 3 are in a league of their own buddy. If theres such a "little" difference that it comes down to opinion, its very funny that Gears barely gets any love ^^.

But Gears 2 did win best graphics in 2008, by most websites. A fact you conveiniently omit. It's won a lot of best graphics awards. Next to Uncharted, I agree it's #2, but it's better then Killzone and GoW3 (you can have a different opinion, but at least accept the difference isn't huge).

who are you agreeing with again. you keep agreeing, but to nothing the person said. Stop agreeing with your self. furthermore MGS4 won more best graphics than Gear 2 did. and both those games arent very impressive by todays standards.

"E3 rates upcoming games, and IGN compared those, Gears 2 beat Killzone 2, which many people here put second to Uncharted. Prooves a point, that even if Uncharted is the best graphically, 1 franchise hardly puts the PS3 console on top when #2 is 360 exclusive."
LOL. This is false.
"Best of E3's" on outlet sites, rates what we were shown, not how good the games actually are because.. yknow.. we dont really get to play the game itself aside from perhaps a test lmao. So Twisted Metal is the best Multiplayer game of E3 2011 because G4 said so? Get real! It simply shows good presentation and showcasing.

Deny, deny, deny....Good counter.

so i site saying a near finished game (Gears) has better graphics than a pre-alpha game a year away from release (Killzone 2) is supposed to prove something? like i said numerous times, Gears didnt even win most of the best graphics, MGS4 did.

"So if Gears 2 > KZ2, and Gears 3 is above KZ3....that means Gears 3 is #2, which means the best graphics games are staggered over the HD consoles... Which prooves this thread to be complete false."

WHAT THE FUCK? Killzone 2 is MILES worse looking than Killzone 3.

DUDE you have NOT played these games, I am positive! You think two games JUST because its the same franchise LOOK the same? No.. You HAVE to be trolling me!! 

Not really.... Killzone 3 and 2 look about the same, the difference is KZ3 has more interesting environments (where KZ2 is all city), and runs without FPS drops on random load freezing between sections.

have you even played these games? these are outright lies. you are soooo biased. just read the DF analysis of Killzone 3, they talk about how great of an improvement KZ3 made over KZ2 in graphics, which is impressive because KZ2 still looks top of class. lies lies lies. you have no argument other than you biased opinions, through tinted lenes, you have no solid footing in anything. if you were on a debate team, you would get laughed out of the competition.

Also in the same regard, Gears 3 is much better looking then KZ2.

You didn't counter my arguement, like most of my point you ignored it and went off on a rage because you can't accept.

"Read the OP....3 games mentioned are GoW3, UC3, and Heavy Rain. Heavy Rain, like GoW 3, is outclassed by many 360 exclusive and even some multi-platform games."
The OP can say CoD is the best graphics on consoles. You would completely accept that and start making arguments towards it?

Well I was originally arguing the OP before people quoted me. So you agree Heavy Rain and Alan Wake are out, good, we can agree.

you are the only one still arguing these games, and the only won that brought up the 540p game, Alan Wake. sure they are good look, as is Mass effect 2, but no where near the top. Mass effect, stiff animations, bad facial animations, bad AA, character models are nothing special, environmental detail is lacking. really its on par with these 2 games. good but not great.

"Link? I know Killzone 2 and I think 3 had screen tearing issues too, doesn't mean Gears 3 doesn't look better... but the difference isn't that big, and in the end racing sim like Forza and GT5 look much much better."
Forza and GT have barely won any graphic awards for a reason. People don't find them as stunning as other games. I'd even say the racing genre as a whole is a tad back in comparison to adventure / action games. But thats just MY opinion, nothing factual. What is factual is that other opinions all around the world, that get to play 10 times the amount of games You and I do, are giving awards and praising Uncharted 3, Uncharted 2 and God of War III as the best looking games on consoles, period.

It's because they are boring to look at. GT5 and Forza 3 have to model cars, not human emotion, water, or fabric in the wind. They model it best, but what does that achieve?

MLB the show is the best lookiing!