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MrMafoo on 11 January 2008
madskillz said:

You do realize that the 360 is currently in the lead, right? And based on the PS3 price point, and the looming price cut from MS, you'd have to be on some serious pimp juice to take the PS3 can overcome that lead anytime soon. I'd rather have a huge lead (7M) and a lower price point, than have to fight hard to try and even come close, and lose money in the process.

Unless MS and Ninny just stop making consoles, this chiseling by Sony into the 360's lead will take at least 10 years to top the 360's lead. 

 

It's not about price, it's about value. If it was just price, the PS2 would outsell everything forever. There is a reason the x-box died at 25 million, and it had nothing to do with price.

MS has to come up with a reason to buy the 360 over the PS3. Price is not a good enough one. The future of the console is what matters.

For example, if in 6 months, every HD-DVD player went on sale for 30 bucks, how many do you think they would sell ;)

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=XB&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=156



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elnino334 on 11 January 2008
madskillz said:
MrMafoo said:
elnino334 said:
Spectrumglr said:
why everybody forget that back in November 2005 there wasn't ANY HD-DVD movie (first in June 2006: 8 months later) or HD-DVD player (launched by toshiba in April 2006: 6 months later)? MS simply couldn't lauch a console with an HD drive in November 2005...because it didn't exist.

Exactly! So is basically wait until Hd-Dvd was available or release the 360 a year ahead of the PS3 with the current drive at that point. I would say launching a year earlier has worked out for the best even if it doesn't have the greatest and best technology etc.


It looks now, like Sony will win this time around (vs the 360 anyway). Sales are higher, and the future looks brighter.

So it helped MS get a leg up for a year or two. It allowed them the ability to win a few battles. But in the end, they will lose the war. If it had a built-in HD-DVD, and better build quality, it might have won the war, even if it launched at the same time as the PS3.

 

 

You do realize that the 360 is currently in the lead, right? And based on the PS3 price point, and the looming price cut from MS, you'd have to be on some serious pimp juice to take the PS3 can overcome that lead anytime soon. I'd rather have a huge lead (7M) and a lower price point, than have to fight hard to try and even come close, and lose money in the process.

Unless MS and Ninny just stop making consoles, this chiseling by Sony into the 360's lead will take at least 10 years to top the 360's lead. 

 


One thing I always found interesting is people not seeming to give credit to the 360 for being ahead especially by so many consoles.  People seem to forget it was 100 mil vs 25-30 ps2 vs xbox so whos next gen system would you predict would be kicking butt right now?  360 being up by millions would not be the answer.  This is why all those analysis had such crazy estimates and predictions etc.  I mean they did make sense back then.  Bottomline is the 360 is here to stay regardless of how the PS3 does. 



MrMafoo on 11 January 2008
Spectrumglr said:

oh, yes...higher sales...even if PS3 manages to sell 100k more units each week (almost impossible, but let's suppose) it'd take 1 year and a half to recover the 7.3M gap.

I don't have a crystal sphere but to me at this point winning the console war for Sony is not such an easy task...


I am not stating fact, just my opinion, so here it is:

At some point, when deciding what to buy (360/PS3), there will be such a clear winner, that buying the other would be stupid. It happened with the PS2 and XB.

When that day comes (and it will come), the sales gap between the two will be a lot more then 100k



elnino334 on 11 January 2008
MrMafoo said:
Spectrumglr said:

oh, yes...higher sales...even if PS3 manages to sell 100k more units each week (almost impossible, but let's suppose) it'd take 1 year and a half to recover the 7.3M gap.

I don't have a crystal sphere but to me at this point winning the console war for Sony is not such an easy task...


I am not stating fact, just my opinion, so here it is:

At some point, when deciding what to buy (360/PS3), there will be such a clear winner, that buying the other would be stupid. It happened with the PS2 and XB.

When that day comes (and it will come), the sales gap between the two will be a lot more then 100k


So games have nothing to do with it? Your saying regardless of the games just because the PS3 has better hardware it will win?  It would be stupid to buy the cheaper system with the games you want to play?   Who was stupid the person who bought the inferior hardware int he PS2 or the xbox? Well we will see what happens.



Spectrumglr on 11 January 2008
MrMafoo said:
Spectrumglr said:

oh, yes...higher sales...even if PS3 manages to sell 100k more units each week (almost impossible, but let's suppose) it'd take 1 year and a half to recover the 7.3M gap.

I don't have a crystal sphere but to me at this point winning the console war for Sony is not such an easy task...


I am not stating fact, just my opinion, so here it is:

At some point, when deciding what to buy (360/PS3), there will be such a clear winner, that buying the other would be stupid. It happened with the PS2 and XB.

When that day comes (and it will come), the sales gap between the two will be a lot more then 100k


sorry, when in 2008 buying a x360 instead of a ps3 is supposed to become a stupid action? console wars are primarly won on the back of games, and honestly this year in this field i don't see such an advantage for Sony that makes the purchase of a x360 a stupid move...we'll see in 2009 but in 2008 each platform has big games.



2008 year end sales (made in January 2008):

44.2 M 27.1 M 20.8 M

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MrMafoo on 11 January 2008
elnino334 said:

So games have nothing to do with it? Your saying regardless of the games just because the PS3 has better hardware it will win?  It would be stupid to buy the cheaper system with the games you want to play?   Who was stupid the person who bought the inferior hardware int he PS2 or the xbox? Well we will see what happens.


No, games have everything to do with it. All the latest games that are not exclusive, look the same, or are slightly better on the PS3. Soon, they all will probably be slightly better on the PS3. So, that will most likely be a wash, but still slanted the PS3 side. So, look at what's coming out this year. Haze, KZ2, MGS4, GT, LBP, and next year FF ...

When talking about games this year for the PS3, it's exciting (sells consoles), when talking about exclusives on the 360... well.. meh. There are one or two good ones, but nothing like the PS3. MS had Halo, and that was great for them. But that ship has sailed. Now what?

If you own a 360, then there are things to be excited about that’s coming out, but if you own nothing at the moment, and are making a buying decision, what the PS3 has to offer in the future as far as games outweighs what the 360 is offering. Not enough at the moment to make buying a 360 a dumb idea, but who knows what will happen in a year of games.

 

 



DMeisterJ on 11 January 2008
elnino334 said:

It payed off in 2005 as it allowed the 360 to launch at a more reasonable price and earlier then the PS3.  Now it is paying off as it looks like HD-DVD is going to be losing the HD format.  If blu-ray ever becomes mainstream they could just come out with a $99 player or something and make those 360 owners looking for the format happy. 

Of course there is that other aspect about future games needing the extra space and if that is the case then it will just be something to deal with.  I don't think it will be an issue but obviously some disagree and we shall see. 

As someone who had stopped buying DVD's years ago this whole format is a mute point especially once people start getting used to streaming or downloading right from their TV's., 360 or PS3 


Clearly you are delusional...

On Topic:  The PS3 having Blu-Ray has helped get 9 million + bd players out there, vs the under 1 million for HD DVD, so it in fact, won the war for blu-ray because it wasn't in the XBOX 360.  Whether or not sales will rise or whether or not it will be bought solely for a bd player are yet to be seen, but this can only help sony, and this is not good in any way for MS, as if they had inclulded the HD drive, it would mean they would have sixteen million HD DVD players versus 1 million.  There is no positive spin for microsoft.  :(



DMeisterJ on 11 January 2008

Also, sony are not the only people that created blu-ray. They themselves created beta max, umd, minidisc, etc. But Blu-ray is made up of a handful of companies, one including sony, so you shouldn't compare it to their past failures.



elnino334 on 11 January 2008
MrMafoo said:
elnino334 said:

So games have nothing to do with it? Your saying regardless of the games just because the PS3 has better hardware it will win?  It would be stupid to buy the cheaper system with the games you want to play?   Who was stupid the person who bought the inferior hardware int he PS2 or the xbox? Well we will see what happens.


No, games have everything to do with it. All the latest games that are not exclusive, look the same, or are slightly better on the PS3. Soon, they all will probably be slightly better on the PS3. So, that will most likely be a wash, but still slanted the PS3 side. So, look at what's coming out this year. Haze, KZ2, MGS4, GT, LBP, and next year FF ...

When talking about games this year for the PS3, it's exciting (sells consoles), when talking about exclusives on the 360... well.. meh. There are one or two good ones, but nothing like the PS3. MS had Halo, and that was great for them. But that ship has sailed. Now what?

If you own a 360, then there are things to be excited about that’s coming out, but if you own nothing at the moment, and are making a buying decision, what the PS3 has to offer in the future as far as games outweighs what the 360 is offering. Not enough at the moment to make buying a 360 a dumb idea, but who knows what will happen in a year of games.

 

 


Well if you haven't bought a 360 wouldn't it make sense to buy one since it has a much larger library?  You would get great games from 2006-2007 alot cheaper.  Isn't that one of the reasons the PS2 is still doing so well? At this current time all the great games on the 360 can be played using the arcade 360 and until that is no longer the case how it a dumb move to spend $280 though will be cheaper in due time to play those games which will be $30-50. Again nothing against the PS3 but the 360 is a solid purchase especially if all you care about is games. 



Spectrumglr on 11 January 2008
DMeisterJ said:
elnino334 said:

It payed off in 2005 as it allowed the 360 to launch at a more reasonable price and earlier then the PS3. Now it is paying off as it looks like HD-DVD is going to be losing the HD format. If blu-ray ever becomes mainstream they could just come out with a $99 player or something and make those 360 owners looking for the format happy.

Of course there is that other aspect about future games needing the extra space and if that is the case then it will just be something to deal with. I don't think it will be an issue but obviously some disagree and we shall see.

As someone who had stopped buying DVD's years ago this whole format is a mute point especially once people start getting used to streaming or downloading right from their TV's., 360 or PS3


Clearly you are delusional...

On Topic: The PS3 having Blu-Ray has helped get 9 million + bd players out there, vs the under 1 million for HD DVD, so it in fact, won the war for blu-ray because it wasn't in the XBOX 360. Whether or not sales will rise or whether or not it will be bought solely for a bd player are yet to be seen, but this can only help sony, and this is not good in any way for MS, as if they had inclulded the HD drive, it would mean they would have sixteen million HD DVD players versus 1 million. There is no positive spin for microsoft. :(

 

no one is gonna buy a console just for the HD player once the stand alone players reach mass market price...and this will happen this year.

In other words the integrated HD player might have won the HD format war for Sony...but in order to win the console war in the long run you need games. Sure, Ps3 will have great games this year, but apart from some hopeless fanboy, nobody could argue that x360's owners won't see great games this year. I wanna stress this: the war between PS3 and x360 is all but finished.



2008 year end sales (made in January 2008):

44.2 M 27.1 M 20.8 M