For the underlined, you should double-check those figures. For the bolded, you should define your terms. And for the italicized, you should lay off the acid.

Before we can continue this discussion of whether smart phones will affect dedicated handhelds, I need you to give me a bit more to work with. What do you mean by "affect"? Are you saying handhelds this generation will see less revenue, that they'll be less profitable, that their marketshare will decrease, that more developer resources will shift to smart phones, or something else? Most importantly, what solid data do you base these assertions on? And please keep in mind that "casual gaming lol" is not analysis.

Ok, Listen, I see what you are saying.  As a research engineer I can understand the want for cited research to back up assertations.  I have double checked the DS and PSP figures, hell there was a chart on the front page the other day, but if you want numbers, fine, tell you what, tonight I will do the necessary research and back up my claim as far as sales go.  

For the bolded portion, here goes.  3DS and PSV will sell less total hardware and software due to direct competition in the mobile space from smartphones and tablets.  

As for the italicized part, thats just a fact you are going to have to live with.  In 2017 or 2018 you arent going to be able to release a DEDICATED mobile gaming platform.  If these two horses are still in the race, they will have to offer more than just games, and not just as an after thought. (Though as a side note, the Netflix support for both devices is a step in the right direction).  

As far as grounded data goes, I won't pretend I spent hours researching this, because I didn't.  This is a video game message board, I put up an opinion that is rooted in my everyday experience at my job working very closely with a major research University.  5 years ago people had DS's and PSP's all over the place, now instead of seeing the students playing DS or PSP, its Angry Birds on their iPhones.  

One last comment and then I am done with this thread.  What crawled up your ass and died?  I stated an opinion, that was better supported than yours that 

"smart phones have done nothing to the market, they are totally different, 3ds sales show this"

Um, where do 3DS sales show this?  You mean during the summer when the e-Shop was open offering similar games and apps as smart phones and the 3DS still putt putted along until Mario 3D and MK7 were released?  Where is your analysis?  Is it next to your acid?  Because I don't think that was analysis, I think that was more acid muchacho.  

Anyway, the point of this thread was whether or not Vita would be the #1.  No, it won't.  160k first week American sales are a bad start to be #1, and muted interest among the general public is another bad sign.  Also, the fact that the only commercials I see for the thing are Taco Bell adverts are more damning.  "Get your meat flavored paper filling AND your mobile gaming platform, FROM US!!!" Yeah, no thanks, now where's Seth, I need to get high after all this nonsense, have fun with Little Big Planet Karting on your Vita, that game actually sounds like it is going to be awes- ..... what?  Oh.... 

Wrong guy.

As for what "crawled up (my) ass and died," I was trying to have a discussion on a subject which you apparently brought up. Since a discussion without facts is really just a pissing contest or a circle-jerk, and since I assumed you had some data to coincide with your assertion before you stated your opinion, I felt asking for some of that data was perfectly warranted. My mistake?

Anyhow, here's some contrary data to what you asserted. The 3DS sold as many units in eight months as the DS did in one year, which contradicts the statement I underlined earlier. This is the same DS that has set handheld sales records in both units and revenue despite coinciding with the Western debut of smartphones, and which has done exceedingly well in Japan, where cell phone games have been popular for over a decade.

Now, it's possible that you may ultimately be correct that "3DS and PSV will sell less total hardware and software due to direct competition in the mobile space from smartphones and tablets," although as a research engineer you already know that cause and effect are always fun things to sort out. All I ask for is data to support that statement. The one bit of support you offered earlier for your hypothesis has thus far been incorrect. The new data apparently rely on anecdotes and discounting the 3DS' system-sellers.  As a research engineer, you already know the former has little value as data. As a person with a brain, you already know the latter isn't worth addressing.

Although I do appreciate the confirmation that your position is basically based on what you perceive to happen in your own small corner of the world. That's not a slam, by the way, just a statement that in the future you can and hopefully will do better.

Finally, if your definition of a dedicated handheld is really that narrow, then last generation was probably the final generation where we'd have a dedicated handheld, just like the last dedicated home console generation was two generations past. I disagree with your definition, but at least now we have a better idea of what we're actually discussing. That's the value of defining your terms.

Ok, I meant sales at launch, the first week of release, of which DS had more, I did not do a good job explaining this.  Also, I definitely did not check to see that you were not the person who first commented on my post, leading me to believe that you were trolling my opinion for no good reason.  In actuality you were asking me to back up my assertations with facts, so I come out of this whole thing looking like a whiny ass, sorry, I thought you were just disagreeing with me for no reason and using a "show me the facts" argument when you had infact shared an opinion of your own without factual basis.  

Of course, my guesses are just that, extrapolations of trends I see on the internet and around me.  Sure, the fact that my co-workers' kids had DSs and PSPs but chose iPhones over 3DSs or PSVs isn't representative of the world at large, but I do think it is a growing trend among the youth.  I don't think you will see a game system again without some sort of cellular connectivity.  In this narrow definition of mobile gaming device, I suppose only 3DS fits, and with the app store, and lots of other features, maybe it too no longer fits my definition.  

If you disagree with my DS vs. 3DS launch assertation I will look the data up shortly, I am at work right now and shouldnt even be typing this reply, but such is life. 

Now, if you will excuse me, I must take my leave, because apparently, that smell is coming from something that died in my ass.  

It's all good man. I came off as a bit of an ass myself, so my apologies as well. It's an interesting topic that deserves some data-backed discussion, but it can definitely wait. Hope your work day goes smoothly!

The sales aren't looking too good right now, but with AC, COD and PSASBR right around the corner, this could be the Vita's time to shine.

Is it Opposite Day or something? The Vita is going to magically turn around and outsell the 3DS? Hahahaha.  There is no historical precedent for anything like that ever happening in video games.

Wouldn't the Vita need t have a first wind in order to have a second?

Im liking this one..... Especially the "best selling console of all time" watch out DS and PS2, ViTA is coming....

3DS slowing down? It's just going into it's second holiday.  Hold your horses, there!  3DS will be a solid seller for at least another two years or more.