Im surprise some dont realise there is load of forejudge as well as out of proportion critics in the Sony forum, just this thread is full of it. Im sure it happens in the other forum too though.

On another note, drop the "Sony fan are the worst" argument, how can you expect any kind of reasonable answer to that? How can you even support that by fact? Fanboy are the worst, thats all there is to say.

Wait is he doing a hand gesture of two penises ? 

In my experience, Microsoft fanboys are the worst. They haven't been bad the last few years, but between 2005 and 2009 (when thePS3 finally got truly awesome), I couldn't tell anyone I wanted a PS3 or that I felt it was better without EVERYONE telling me how much of a moron I was. I was stupid, Xbox was better, PS3 sucks, Xbox Live was better, Xbox had better games, Xbox was cheaper, Xbox EVERYTHING was awesome, and PS3made me a fucking moron.

Microsoft fans were outright aggressive in their hatred of everything not Xbox, while ignoring such major flaws as the Red Ring (or downplaying it), and acting like XBLA was worth the money, when it actually inflated the system's price to more than the PS3 once it was all said and done. Hell, even LAST generation, when the PS2 steamrolled Gamecube and Xbox, I had Xbox fanboys telling me I Was dumb for not getting an Xbox even though there were basically no games for it compared to PS3 and the controller was an atrocious monster.

Sony fans, on the other hand, have been very DEFENSIVE this round. I've not often seen PS3 fans assaulting Xbox or Wii users, and if it happened it was usually only in threads or places where people were harassing Sony fans. Last generation Sony fans didn't say shit. I don't ever, EVER recall sony fans making a fuss about anything because I distinctly remember actually starting to think the Xbox was better because ALL my friends had Xboxes and loved them, so I felt alone in the world of PS2, becuase Xbox fans were so fucking vocal.

Nintendo fans last gen were like PS3 fans this gen, defensive and rarely aggressive. This gen it's been pretty tame though, far as I've seen. yeah, we got the fanboys, but they're easily shrugged off and they're usually pretty quiet about shit.

I'm, uh

I'm consistently taken aback by how much allegiance seems to influence perspective, here

How so?  I've been on the internet as long as you have, probably been playing games as long as you have (since the 80's), it's not hard to witness trends, you know.  

I'm saying that this kind of illustrates how there's no such thing as an objective viewpoint, and in this case it seems to be based somewhat on allegiance

what allegience?   I own all three major consoles, every handheld, and I like them all depending on day.  I do have a favorite, but I do not have an allegience.  To assume I do just becuase my experiences have not been the same as yours is a rather big leap.  

In my experience, xbox fanboys have been the only truly insufferable fanboys in existence.  Nintendo fanboys have been pretty tame, and Sony fanboys have only ever been aggressively defensive towards microsoft fanboys...on the whole.  there are clearly exceptions. 

All right, sure, we'll go with that.

cheater, that's my line!

All right, fine;

One's allegiance isn't just inferred from a single conversation, though it coudl be in theory, and your post serves as a very good indicator of that. As a lurker, an outsider, I see all fanboys as being disgusting slobbering subhumans frotting against the unfeeling trees of companies who don't care about them, clinging to the idea of inherent inferiority of alternative value metrics, even beyond the inherent superiority of their own. I like Nintendo games best; I make no secret of that. I do not own the company any allegiance, so to speak, though it would take an absolute catastrophe for me to not buy the Wii U day 1 based on the company's game pedigree.

You have displayed in various other topics (Nintendo hate in some topics, Microsoft hate in other, passivity to a passive fanbase and frothing anathema for another in this one, going off the deep end about Uncharted 3 reviews below 9) where your allegiances lie. It's fine if you don't see it that way; how you see it doesn't really matter for the purposes of this discussion, as it's how you present yourself that matters. That's part of the framing that you've created when it comes to reading your posts in this topic, particularly in how you see "Microsoft fanboys" (such as they are).

But you also solidify the perception of your own allegiance in how you present your perceptions, because allegiances themselves carry a certain necessary perspective, don't they? Those aligned to Sony don't see what's so bad about what Sony fans do; those aligned to Microsoft or Nintendo, same thing. I've seen egregious fawning over titles that didn't deserve it simply because of their exclusivity, aggrandizement of games or events that didn't matter in the long run, attacks on the value metrics of others, and pigeon-holing the tastes of entire player bases absed on nothing except for the fact that they have the audacity to like somehting that the speaker did not see fit to buy.

Yes, trying to frame Sony fans as "defensive" for this generation is its own flag. You say you've been on the internet "as long as I have" (though how you came to this conclusion is beyond me), but if that's the case you absolutely cannot have forgotten the utter, piss-spewing chaos that was the 24 months from November of 2006 to November of 2008, when the fanboy wars this gen were at their fever pitch. Here was as bad as it was anywhere. Do you remember the Killzone hype? Do you really? Do you remember how GTA4 was going to be the game to turn the console wars aorund, to remind people where the real systems were, how it was going to hurt Iron Man's box office pull?

Do you really remember?