Haha, evolution in action :)

In terms of numbers and access, I agree, but there is still a lot of room for analysis with what they give us. The breadth of numbers we still have is enourmous. You can't find it anywhere else! I do alot of analysis with some other posters on site, sometimes even in PM. Granted we have less data, but there is still alot to work with, make the most use of it and lead for the better.

Thanks for italics.

I think they key phrase here is "Relative to size". The ultrathin TV, relative to size, is very sleek, moreso than the Vita and Wii U controller. In absolutes, going by volume, of course both win, mind you not even by such a huge margin.

In absolutes, the Vita is smaller than a Wii U controller, but in relative form factor, the Wii U controller wins (40 versus 32 I believe it was).

In the context of design, the Wii U is sleeker than the Vita as explained ad nauseam (surface to depth ratio).

In the context of ergonomics ("context of people handling these devices"), the Wii U does not have claw holding and is lighter relative to volume. It can easily be held by both hands (not too big still, comparative to the TV mentioned), can be held comfortably and does not feel heavy. It beats Vita in this category by a landslide.

Preview:  http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/06/wii-u-controller-preview/

In the context of portability, the Vita beats the WiiU controller, but that isn't the context of the article, right? (This is rhetorical)

I don't get it. Are they copying Nintendo too now? Or are they copying Sony, by copying Nintendo?

You know what Microsoft, I don't like your attitude.

i never mentioned the wii u... i merely pointed out how absurd this statement is

"If it is a 40" LCD with a thinner debth compared to a vita's surface to depth ratio, then for all suits and purposes it is less bulky. "

"the Wii U does not have claw holding and is lighter relative to volume"

remind me again what is the weight of the wii u controller?

i don't ask that to imply that i think your statement is wrong but i'm wondering what stats you used to arrive at your conclusion ( i hope you aren't going to say it was that article )

"It can easily be held by both hands (not too big still, comparative to the TV mentioned), can be held comfortably and does not feel heavy. "

i guess you put that there to imply that the vita feels heavy and cannot be held comfortably in both hands?

"In the context of portability, the Vita beats the WiiU controller, but that isn't the context of the article, right?"

the article wasn't a comparison of the two... so far all i've really seen you do is take their assessment on a device that still has to undergo changes ( for one the battery wasn't even in the unit ) and use that to make your own comparisons, even though you probably haven't handled either device

Microsoft is copying Sony copying Nintendo.

LOL

I was answering the overall question along all the posts I've had with you and kitler within the thread. It's called lateral thinking and keeping OT and the big picture in mind. Even if you didn't, OT did, and that's the point of this exchange. If it isn't, let me know I'll drop out ASAP.

That's why I wrote "for all suits and purposes". In other words, apart from the portability argument, the ultra thin screen is less bulky for all suits and purposes. Did I mention the 55" tv I provided weighs 16 lbs? Yeah I did.

We don't know. But what we do know is that it is extremely light. That was not said for the Vita, so I consider it reasonable assumption that in all likelyhood (I didn't realize I had to say this), the Wii U controller is much lighter in the volume to weight ratio as compared to the Vita.

Yes, that article and many others. It's all we have for now, I looked for weight on many other sites but couldn't find it. If anyone else found it, please do mention.

No, it was to contrast with the 55" TV. However, as part of the greater argument, it was to show that the Vita, comparatively to the Wii U controller, was heavier (relative to size) and less comfortable to hold.

In terms of the way you worded it "the vita feels heavy and cannot be held comfortably in both hands?" -> NO.

You are absolutising my logic, and trying to throw it back in my face. It's not working, and proves you offer exactly the type of post kitler & I griped about. You don't apply rules of logic, so one must be very careful in not getting his own words twisted by you. Stop doing that, it's a desctructive approach to dialogue.

@bold. This is your best argument so far. Of course I haven't handled the units, did you expect me to? I argue with what I have, and so do you. Don't try to make it look like I'm talking out of my hat, I use the facts I get from the articles I read, as do you.

@italics. My original gripe, along with the part of the scan I quoted, reproduced here for your pleasure:

@underlined. How is the Vita comparable to the iPad and the Wii U not? It makes absolutely no sense. If you want to continue to defend this position, be my guest, but I'm out.

While I agree with Silver-Tiger that Nintendo has the advantage, I disagree with his reasoning ...

When you have a market filled with (essentially) generic products the company that controls the market has the advantage. Having the largest userbase in the previous generation and launching before Nintendo and Microsoft helped Sony gain control of the market long before Nintendo or Microsoft could respond; and in this generation Nintendo will have the largest userbase in the previous generation and will be launching before either Sony or Microsoft.

and yet again microsoft or sony copying Nintendo why every gen do they gotta copy Nintendo i thought they learned from sonys mistake never to copy Nintendo when you copy Nintendo your destined to fail because no body is going to want to spend $500-600 dollars on something they can have for cheaper
kenict is what ms should stay with entering . cause if they do this. chances are they will be 2 yrs to late to the party

and wii u will be un doubtfully cheaper then all the other ones.

and have the games people want

its already backed by 3rd party as of late .
so i dont see ms having the same success they had with kenict with this thing because well the expense
also I want to know what about used games

if they pull that mess that will entirelly screw them up and 500 freakin dollars is to much in todays economy I dont ever wanna pay 500 again after what ps3 did (absolutely nothing for a year) i will not buy this xbox if it is 500 -600 dollars. i will stick with the wii u and maybe get a ps4 shall that occur plus paying for xbox live is a pain in the arse already

"But what we do know is that it is extremely light. That was not said for the Vita, so I consider it reasonable assumption"

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-12/09/playstation-vita-hands-on-preview?page=all

"The first impression the Vita makes is how light it is"

http://www.destructoid.com/playstation-vita-hardware-impressions-and-faqs-218523.phtml

"The Vita is solid but light, sleek but hand-friendly"

http://www.ign.com/wikis/ps-vita

"the PlayStation Vita feels pretty light and slim in your hands"

http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1199906/ps_vita_review.html

"It’s surprising how light the PS Vita is"

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/13/playstation-vita-plays-it-smart-with-phone-like-ui-we-go-hands/

"We've handled the PlayStation Vita often enough to know our way around its lightweight chassis and petite thumbsticks"

http://angrybananas.com/2011/06/12/e32011-hands-on-with-the-playstation-vita/#.Tza_tlwS0uE

"The first thing I noticed about the PS Vita is how surprisingly light it felt."

i could have added more but regardless, from what i've seen, vita previews that don't mention how light it is are very rare, but at least you concede you are making assumptions

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Relative to the Wii U Controller, yes."

that may be right but how did you reach that conclusion? you haven't handled either product and you haven't showed any comparisons on the two from journalists so what is the basis for your conclusion?

"How is the Vita comparable to the iPad and the Wii U not?"

its his/her opinion as i said before