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Why people says that we don't want console experiences on portables when RE: Revelations is selling well and I don't think 3DS user will complaining about getting more console type experiences?



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I don't understand how people say that Vita is having trouble because the games on it aren't really anything you couldn't find on a console.

I look at the games on 3DS that are propelling it's sales like Mario Land, Mari Kart, Resident Evil and Monster Hunter.

What is so different about them in regards to Monster Hunter Tri, Mario Kart Wii, Resident Evil or Super Mario Bros. Wii that makes them "handheldized"? (Saw that word used and I liked it)

They all look like console games on a handheld to me, so shouldn't the 3DS be experiencing "PSP problems"?



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Euphoria14 said:

I don't understand how people say that Vita is having trouble because the games on it aren't really anything you couldn't find on a console.

I look at the games on 3DS that are propelling it's sales like Mario Land, Mari Kart, Resident Evil and Monster Hunter.

What is so different about them in regards to Monster Hunter Tri, Mario Kart Wii, Resident Evil or Super Mario Bros. Wii that makes them "handheldized"? (Saw that word used and I liked it)

They all look like console games on a handheld to me, so shouldn't the 3DS be experiencing "PSP problems"?

There's more to it than that.

Some games are great on either home or handheld. Some could be 60/40, etc.

Exclusivity also play a big part. I.E. RE:R being (currently) exlusive on the 3DS. This larely depends on the game being great, though.

If you release the same game on both home and handheld when the home version is the definitive version. It's easy to figure out that the version that will sell.



Sony need to get something that will do for the Vita what MH did for PSP or else it might be difficult for them to even match PSP sales.

They came into this handheld generation being too dependent on that one 3rd party franchise, methinks.



Euphoria14 said:

I don't understand how people say that Vita is having trouble because the games on it aren't really anything you couldn't find on a console.

I look at the games on 3DS that are propelling it's sales like Mario Land, Mari Kart, Resident Evil and Monster Hunter.

What is so different about them in regards to Monster Hunter Tri, Mario Kart Wii, Resident Evil or Super Mario Bros. Wii that makes them "handheldized"? (Saw that word used and I liked it)

They all look like console games on a handheld to me, so shouldn't the 3DS be experiencing "PSP problems"?

There are some games I prefer to play on the PC, some games I prefer to play on home consoles, some games I prefer to play on a handheld system, and some games which are as good on any platform. A large portion of the difference is driven by how different these systems are in terms of capabilities and environment they're used in. Every person will have different opinions about this but some games and genres just "feel" wrong on portable systems; and many of the people who're critical of Sony's approach to the PSP potentially feel that way about their first party games.



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BasilZero said:
JayWood2010 said:



First off this is not a doom thread, but simply pointing out why the Playstation Vita will struggle in the mobile world and also why it will not fail either.

Are you comparing the vita to the Mobile world as in Smartphones? If so, you really cant compare them like that.

  The PSP was unfortunate enough to have the PSP massively hacked and created many problems on the PSP but that is not the only reason games did not sale well on the PSP.

The main reason why software sales were lacking was because about piracy, majority of PSPs that were sold around 2005-2007 were easily hacked/jailbroked with custom firmware from homebrew developers, Sony tried to combat them by releasing a revised version of the PSP, but when the Pandora battery came out, that made any chance of protecting the PSP from piracy obsolete, I wouldnt be surprised if 50%+ users have a custom firmware on their PSP.

Let's go back and think of the games made on the PSP.........Not much right.  I mean yes they had a few like God of War, Metal Gear Solid, Crysis Core, and let's not forget about Monster Hunters. But even when you take these games don't you kind of wish they were on the PS3 with better graphics? Wouldn't they have all been better off that way? 

God of War, Metal Gear Solid and Crisis Core were all original games on the PSP , they are not ports. No I wouldnt wish and never wished for a PS3 port/version, thats like saying I wish Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 came out on the Wii as well. Graphics arent everything either.

  That's where you are wrong.  You have some people who look at the graphics and are amazed at what they're seeing so they rush out to buy it.  Then you have others who look at it and say, what is on this that makes it any different than my PS3.  Some will argue that it has touchscreen front and rear, a gyro scope, and a camera. But wait isn't a gyro scope basically sixaxis? And isn't the PS eye a camera? And touchscreen vs buttons?  We have all seen how that ends right?  

Its a portable, what did you expect? You really cant compare the PSVita to the PS3, again that is like comparing the 3DS to the Wii.

However, let's continue with the software shall we.  So it has Uncharted, Wipeout, Modnation racers, Little Big Planet, Killzone, Resistance,etc, etc!  All these First first party games coming to the Vita, it will be an instant hit right?! Wrong.  We are looking at the same mistakes that the PSP made.  All these games are nice but when you have a home console already, why can't I just play it on there?  

You seem to not understand the gaming industry rule, if it sells, make it for that system. Just because it came out on the PS3 doesnt mean it cant come out on the PSVita. Would you rather not have any First party titles from Sony on the Vita? Also those game versions that are coming out on the vita are actually original games, their not ports or remakes (except for Modnation Racers).

We have all these games for the PS3 but now we can have them on a portable but with not quite as good of graphics, a smaller screen, and not as good as audio. But i know, I know, Nintendo remakes games all the time for the 3DS and DS.  Just look at all the Mario and Zelda games right?  Well you are right but a lot of people miss things like Mario and Zelda fits in perfectly with the mobile crowd.  Or that Zelda games on the DS are usually a lot different than the console version, and really its Mario.  Mario is an icon, that's all that needs to be said.  Then you have franchises that are built specifically for the DS and 3DS like pokemon. 

Apples to Oranges. Nintendo's first party titles will always sell better than Sony's, thats a fact, not a opinion. Comparing Nintendo's first party titles to Sony's first party titles is like comparing Final Fantasy to every other RPG series that is out there. Look at the comparison between Tales series and Final Fantasy? Which sells more? FF because of its brand name, its more known throughout the world than Tales series, I know alot of people who know and love FF but never heard of Tales series. The same logic applies to Nintendo and Sony titles.

This all being said Sony has a game that can rival Nintendo with Monster Hunters......Unfortunately the 3DS has that now too which means the Vita lost it's flagship with the Vita. So what games can take over now and have a real impact on the Vita?

All Nintendo had were first party titles with the inclusion of a few casual games that are a huge hit that are oh wow made by Nintendo as well (i.e. Nintendogs).

Capcom will always go after the system that will have a huge number of sales and whatever will run MH best, Capcom isnt there to help Sony or Nintendo, their watching their own backs and just want $$$$, this generation the 3DS is capable of running their game unlike the NDS which lacked and was released on the PSP. I wouldnt be surprised if we see a ipad version of MH in the coming months/years.

As for MH overall, it isnt everything, eventually a new IP or some other game will take its place as the main system seller. Its just too soon to know what it is.


  The Vita has also started it's selling point at $250 or $300 with the 3G model.  Or is it.  Considering the heavy pricing of the memory cards which allows you to play games you are probably looking at $280 at least.

Blame Hackers for that extra $30 and memory cards.

 Then you have the same people I talked about earlier who says, well the technology is huge and it's worth it.  Well I would have to say yes, but is it to much for a mobile device that you can find something similar on the PS3 for a cheaper price but with slightly better graphics?

No you cant, you're talking like as if the same exact games are on the PS3, Wipeout 2048 and Uncharted GA arent (will they be? maybe in the future from 2 years from now maybe). Along with that, alot of the ports that are incoming in are for those who never had the original game like me for an example, I never got to play any of the old PS3 games because I purchased my PS3 back in November 2011, never got the chance to play Disgaea 3, I will now on the vita, and not only that it will contain all of the DLCs that the PS3 version had along with new content that the original didnt have, that is a plus for me and I am pretty sure fans of the series will buy it again or buy it now if they havent before.

The same logic will apply for most other games that are coming out that are ports. You also have to realize some people like playing games on the road, if you are deciding on buying a game system, the main question is you should ask yourself: Should I buy it so I can go and play these games on the road or should I buy the other alternative for a bigger screen at home? Not the way you are asking, graphics again arent a issue and shouldnt be a reason to buy a game system. Portability, Software Library and features should always sway a consumer who is thinking about buying a PSVita before graphics.

The PSVita is $250 dollars while the PS3 is currently 299.99-349.99 (bundle) also, I guess I'll get the PSVita if I used the $$$ logic.


Truth is, Sony has made these mistakes in the past but just like the PSP I don't believe the Vita will fail, but it will struggle unless it can bring games out that can not be found anywhere else. Meaning no more remakes, but something built from the ground up specifically for the Vita itself.

This will be up to the first/second and mostly third party developers, nothing anyone else can do about, Sony will never have the same selling power as Nintendo, so their best best is to depend on the third party developers, hopefully they will not take as long as they did with the PSP.


They seriously need to do something with the quoting system in these forums, its horrible lol.

Yes the quoting is horrible lol And i never compared it to phones, just the 3DS. And no they're not the same like i pointed out multiple times, but the PSP games are a lot like console style games but not as good.  For example, I bet Golden abyss will not be as good as the uncharted games for the PS3.  You guys are acting like I want this to fail but thats not true, I actually want the Vita to succeed but if they keep it so expensive with no games do show that it is it's own console then it will struggle.  I'm sure they will announce something soon enough




       

RolStoppable said:
Euphoria14 said:

I don't understand how people say that Vita is having trouble because the games on it aren't really anything you couldn't find on a console.

I look at the games on 3DS that are propelling it's sales like Mario Land, Mari Kart, Resident Evil and Monster Hunter.

What is so different about them in regards to Monster Hunter Tri, Mario Kart Wii, Resident Evil or Super Mario Bros. Wii that makes them "handheldized"? (Saw that word used and I liked it)

They all look like console games on a handheld to me, so shouldn't the 3DS be experiencing "PSP problems"?

In case you didn't notice, the 3DS went through and still is going through PSP problems (because the overall lineup is still too lopsided in a PSP direction). There was a massive price drop on the hardware in August and right now it doesn't look like the system will be able to move more than one million units a month worldwide outside of the holiday quarter.

Funny you say that when it is outpacing the DS, the all time best selling console, also it is on top every week. If you can move a million units in a month that is very good because once the holidays come around that will spike way up.




       

wow some one thinks 3ds sales are bad first of all its out pacing DS  and lol when did ds ever sell ten million in a month? freaking kidding me 

your over exaggerating .  

no console sells over 1 million a month out side the holidays ds always sold half a million  or slightly less unless a price drop or big game came which case it sold 600 k  

and i do not think 3ds outselling ds matters

what matters is 3ds vs vita 

if the 3ds continues what its doing vita will stay behind. and 3ds will be a success -it already begins profiting in april of this year so .   its funny you think its in the same boat as sony 

 

its not e ven close

and yes sony repeated the mistake .  -the mistake was letting competition make their move!  because they did so nintendo gets 3rd party support sony would have had .   

 

and 280 bucks for a handheld does not go well when your competitor is 100 dollars cheaper and is bc with all  ds games -which gives you the size of mount everest to choose from lol  

vs vita which in the us is not even getting that umd program lol  .   --which hurts them even more . i seen alot of post on gamespot where users changed their minds on getting one because of this  me i dont care but . that don't change the fact this is going to affect the outcome of the us again 

 

and with little new game announcments besides the 30 games we know     which consist of many ports of console games any way . 

what really gets me is that Sony refuses to do what they did during the ps1 era . remember how they got nfs exclu sive driver exclusive funny thing about driver is . 3ds got it exclusively      

and lets talk 007 

 since 2005s from russia with love   psp has not seen a 007 title.   ds/3ds can play 3 007 titles already (quantum of solace blood stone and goldeneye) 

and since im a 007 fan ,  if vita got one id be pleased .  

but the way it looks i dont see it ever getting one .   

i see 3ds continuing where ds left off in that department .  

 due to the already 16 million large userbase.  

there is no way   activision is gonna walk past money

theres only  4 games  if any i see worthy in the vita library today

1-asphalt injection (thus because i played the ds versi ons)

2 -uncharted 

3 -resistance -not out yet i think  but ya  (well im in the us nothing for vitas out until 22 of feb )

4 wipe out 

     thats out of the 20 plus games.   

(of course when i made this list i don't include ports)

then theres some titles i would play  a little game i call risk your wallet (buying a game from an ip never heard of)      

and people whine for new i p's  well  why whine for somthing not knowing what its going to be i'd rather have a entry in a established franchise not a port though but  .  a portable version from the ground up  such is the case with the 4 titles i mentioned 

 

 

 

and to back this up 

 

lets look at ps2 do we sit here and count its sales against ps3 360 wii ?    i didn't think so 

 you only compare consoles of the generation because not all the time will a console sell 150 million units  .theres various factors for that

does not make any console a failure if they fail to out sell ps2 or 3ds fails to outsell ds . its still another nintendo handheld 

 

so even if that were so . nintendo still wins because its well a nintendo product 

so if you wanna play the 3ds is gonna fail because it  dont look like its gonna sell 150 million then i can sit here and add them two together and nintendo still walks tall 

 

saying the 3ds is doing terrible because it didnt outsell ds .  is like saying the new england patriots are terrible because they lost the superbowl  with a 18-1 recerd 

 they still finished first in their league (afc)   as does nintendo if it out sells the vita so what does it matter if   it fails to out do a produdecessor 

if we ever used that logic ps3 is a ultimate failure because it did not even sell 70 million   which is not even half of ps2s lifetime sales and ps2 still sells lol 

so your point that 3ds is doing a psp is so tottaly debunked because i dont think psp sold 16 million in its first year .  

cause the ds didnt even sell that much and it ended up out selling psp every month in every territory until recently in japan (only)    

so    ya .  basically 

the battle is between 3ds and vita not 3ds and ds .  



goldeneye0074eva2222 said:

wow some one thinks 3ds sales are bad first of all its out pacing DS  and lol when did ds ever sell ten million in a month? freaking kidding me 

your over exaggerating .  

no console sells over 1 million a month out side the holidays ds always sold half a million  or slightly less unless a price drop or big game came which case it sold 600 k  

and i do not think 3ds outselling ds matters

what matters is 3ds vs vita 

if the 3ds continues what its doing vita will stay behind. and 3ds will be a success -it already begins profiting in april of this year so .   its funny you think its in the same boat as sony 

 

its not e ven close

and yes sony repeated the mistake .  -the mistake was letting competition make their move!  because they did so nintendo gets 3rd party support sony would have had .   

 

and 280 bucks for a handheld does not go well when your competitor is 100 dollars cheaper and is bc with all  ds games -which gives you the size of mount everest to choose from lol  

vs vita which in the us is not even getting that umd program lol  .   --which hurts them even more . i seen alot of post on gamespot where users changed their minds on getting one because of this  me i dont care but . that don't change the fact this is going to affect the outcome of the us again 

 

and with little new game announcments besides the 30 games we know     which consist of many ports of console games any way . 

what really gets me is that Sony refuses to do what they did during the ps1 era . remember how they got nfs exclu sive driver exclusive funny thing about driver is . 3ds got it exclusively      

and lets talk 007 

 since 2005s from russia with love   psp has not seen a 007 title.   ds/3ds can play 3 007 titles already (quantum of solace blood stone and goldeneye) 

and since im a 007 fan ,  if vita got one id be pleased .  

but the way it looks i dont see it ever getting one .   

i see 3ds continuing where ds left off in that department .  

 due to the already 16 million large userbase.  

there is no way   activision is gonna walk past money

theres only  4 games  if any i see worthy in the vita library today

1-asphalt injection (thus because i played the ds versi ons)

2 -uncharted 

3 -resistance -not out yet i think  but ya  (well im in the us nothing for vitas out until 22 of feb )

4 wipe out 

     thats out of the 20 plus games.   

(of course when i made this list i don't include ports)

then theres some titles i would play  a little game i call risk your wallet (buying a game from an ip never heard of)      

and people whine for new i p's  well  why whine for somthing not knowing what its going to be i'd rather have a entry in a established franchise not a port though but  .  a portable version from the ground up  such is the case with the 4 titles i mentioned 

 

 

 

and to back this up 

 

lets look at ps2 do we sit here and count its sales against ps3 360 wii ?    i didn't think so 

 you only compare consoles of the generation because not all the time will a console sell 150 million units  .theres various factors for that

does not make any console a failure if they fail to out sell ps2 or 3ds fails to outsell ds . its still another nintendo handheld 

 

so even if that were so . nintendo still wins because its well a nintendo product 

so if you wanna play the 3ds is gonna fail because it  dont look like its gonna sell 150 million then i can sit here and add them two together and nintendo still walks tall 

Glad someone can explain why they think what they think.  The kid talking about the 3DS has no clue what he is talking about which is why I'm not even going to reply to him. 




       

RolStoppable said:
JayWood2010 said:
goldeneye0074eva2222 said:

*rambling*

Glad someone can explain why they think what they think.  The kid talking about the 3DS has no clue what he is talking about which is why I'm not even going to reply to him. 

It's a good thing that we have numbers on this site, isn't it? I picked a week in early 2007 as the starting point and you can use the arrows next to "Week ending ..." to go through the charts. The guy you quoted claimed that the DS sold half a million units a month, unless a big event occured. But if you look through the sales charts, you'll find that 400k units a week were actually the norm, putting the DS easily past the 1.5m mark for an average month.

Also, I never said that the DS sold 10 million units in a month. For my rough estimate of 3DS sales for this year in my previous post, I put the holiday season at two full months (system sells 1m per month for a total of 10m, so that's ten months, then another 10m in the rest of the year). That's an optimistic outlook, so the actual numbers should be lower. But hey, that plays in favor of you guys who defend the 3DS, so you should have nothing to complain about.

Alternatively, you can use the yearly charts. In 2006, the DS's second year, the system moved in excess of 20m units which is already nothing to scoff at, but in the following years it sold 30m units or close to it.

So if you have some basic grasp of numbers, you'll realize that the 3DS selling 250k units a week (which it does right now) isn't going to be enough to outpace the DS forever; and Nintendo's goal cannot be to do significantly worse than in the previous generation, so they cannot be satisfied with the current level of sales.

"The kid talking about the 3DS", pure vgchartz gold!!!