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| JayWood2010 said: Vita Problems: Mistakes of the Past |
I don't see how remake is not good for the PSVita?When you see best selling game in PSP all bestseller are remake,port and Spin Off of homes consoles without this games the PSP will not sell that whell and we all know this will be true from PSVita also.Gravity Rush wich is a unique game w'ont sell well.
New IP are good in the Mid-life of the console not now ,now they need popular games.
You also said that Mario are zelda are different in handheld but Metal Peace Walker are also different and suited for handheld but people said that is the worst metal gear solid game is the serie,PSVita has also a unique Silent Hill but evryone hate it i think because the audience are different in Sony handheld and Nintendo ones ,the touchscreen also add in Little Big Planet much more value there are many level that is better with touch screen the editor of level become more easy and more fun.
Also PSVita has many new IP like Escape plan,Little devient,Gravity rush... and i'm sure more new IP will come when the install base grow.
For the price is not a big problem because the price won't still the same for ever they will be reduce.
PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m
Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m
Pretty sensible analysis. However, I suspect that Sony would be perfectly content for Vita to follow exactly in the PSP's footsteps, but with lower piracy rates. No shame in coming 2nd to Nintendo in the portable market.
small44 said:
I don't see how remake is not good for the PSVita?When you see best selling game in PSP all bestseller are remake,port and Spin Off of homes consoles without this games the PSP will not sell that whell and we all know this will be true from PSVita also.Gravity Rush wich is a unique game w'ont sell well. New IP are good in the Mid-life of the console not now ,now they need popular games. You also said that Mario are zelda are different in handheld but Metal Peace Walker are also different and suited for handheld but people said that is the worst metal gear solid game is the serie,PSVita has also a unique Silent Hill but evryone hate it i think because the audience are different in Sony handheld and Nintendo ones ,the touchscreen also add in Little Big Planet much more value there are many level that is better with touch screen the editor of level become more easy and more fun. Also PSVita has many new IP like Escape plan,Little devient,Gravity rush... and i'm sure more new IP will come when the install base grow. For the price is not a big problem because the price won't still the same for ever they will be reduce. |
I saw where you said new IP are good in the middle od a console's life. May be good for the console (if that's what you mean) but devs have said time and again that it's best for them to release a new IP early in a console's life. People are more open to new things earlier than later. I think the Vita will do well with new IP as long as the install base is decent. Your comment about PSP games like MGSPW and Silent Hill--it's a tough nut to crack. MGSPW was a good game (Silent Hill sucked, though) but audiences just didn't embrace it. Yet, a game like Res Evil Revelations on the 3DS is doing very well. Don't know what to say about that one.
| d21lewis said:
I saw where you said new IP are good in the middle od a console's life. May be good for the console (if that's what you mean) but devs have said time and again that it's best for them to release a new IP early in a console's life. People are more open to new things earlier than later. I think the Vita will do well with new IP as long as the install base is decent. Your comment about PSP games like MGSPW and Silent Hill--it's a tough nut to crack. MGSPW was a good game (Silent Hill sucked, though) but audiences just didn't embrace it. Yet, a game like Res Evil Revelations on the 3DS is doing very well. Don't know what to say about that one. |
It is definitely true that early adopters are far more open to buying anything remotely close to their interests on new platforms, even if for no reason other than a lack of competition or superior alternatives. I'm not sure if this is a matter of being more open so much as being a matter of just buying a new piece of hardware and wanting to have as much reason to use it as possible, to include playing games that would not have warranted a purchase even a year later with better options available.
Speaking personally, I have to say that it's a tough tendency to resist. Many of the worst games I've bought on any platform happened to be among the earliest.
I think part of the other problem with portable games in general is that they cannot and generally aren't expected to perform as well commercially as a console release. There are exceptions of course. And of course, the lower sales are offset by lower production costs and faster turnaround development times. If Peace Walker had been a PS3 game, it probably would have taken an extra year at minimum to develop.
Something like Revelations (I think the only reason I haven't bought a copy yet is because I have a PSV on order) is what I would consider a title many may have bought a 3DS for. I'm sure a larger percentage of 3DS owners bought theirs to play Mario Kart or Mario World, but there is definitely a significant niche of players who may even favor 3rd party games over the prerequisite Nintendo franchises, even on Nintendo hardware.
| scottie said: Pretty sensible analysis. However, I suspect that Sony would be perfectly content for Vita to follow exactly in the PSP's footsteps, but with lower piracy rates. No shame in coming 2nd to Nintendo in the portable market. |
I agree, and don't think Sony would be too upset to sell an average of 10 Million units per year, but I'm not convinced they're in the position to have that strong of performance ...
It will be months before we have a good feeling for how the PS-Vita is selling outside of Japan, but with how it is selling inside of Japan it may be an indicator that the PS-Vita has a long way to go before it can be said that the PS-Vita performing as well as the PSP.
Just one dumb comparison. You say the PSP and Vita don't have "unique" games that weren't more enjoyable on a PS3 with better graphics...Now tell me, which 3DS games couldn't be made for the Wii? Super Mario Land 3D? I'd rather play Super Mario Galaxy on a Wii. Mario Kart Why always people claim PSP-Vita games are cheap copies of better console games and I never hear the same about the (3)DS? I can't see any difference...
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New IP we don't now many thing about them and abour their quality so i don't think a person will buy a console just for one unknown game but series of games has a big fanbase who's buy this games whatever their qualities.
But in the middle of console life people who's buy the console has many games and can't in sometimes buy a new IP even when they are bad we will say when Gravity Rush out if the game succes i'm sure a big number of developpers will create even more new IP.
That my point of view.
PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m
Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m
| ghettoglamour said: Just one dumb comparison. You say the PSP and Vita don't have "unique" games that weren't more enjoyable on a PS3 with better graphics...Now tell me, which 3DS games couldn't be made for the Wii? |
That's not exactly what he said, but to provide examples of 3DS games that the OP was talking about
Professor Layton
Nintendogs
Monster Hunter
Pokemon spinoffs
As the really popular ones. The 3DS also has a variety of smaller games, such as the Sims franchise, Lego franchise etc
Are all games that will sell portable hardware. The 3DS also has a Pokemon game comnig soon - the king of portable games, that Vita will need to compete with.