from the box art i saw at gamestop the other day looks to me its multiplatform minus the ps3 like everything else is going
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mkwii code- 1977-0565-0049
Words Of Wisdom said:
You're the one who doesn't get it because you wear the same set of blinders as Bod does. |
Cruis'n Wii somes to mind suddenly. A game that does not perform at an expeted minimum graphically will suffer greatly as a result. Even if the game is great, the review will read that it is good despite of terrible graphics.
this would rock if its true
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| naznatips said: Never played Suikoden games. Maybe I'll give it a try if this pans out. |
i dont own any suikodens but ive played em and they are good,i think you should try em
tag:"reviews only matter for the real hardcore gamer"
| ookaze said: I agree with WoW, but I also believe I understand what Bodhesatva is saying, which is more how I think. As we're talking JRPG, it picked my interest. I've said countless times that I expect the Wii will get the most JRPG especially because of what is discussed here : the push for graphics both HD consoles have made, and the fact that most JRPG don't generate enough sales to support that. Many will try to stay the course, but I predicted most would fail, and for now, it's scary how right I was. I felt all those resisting would go bankrupt or go Wii, and I thought most would realize Wii is the only option before going bankrupt. In my eyes, that's what is unfolding right now, to a scary level. To this day, I've seen every JRPG on the current gen HD consoles fail miserably, in the sense that they lost a huge amount of money, except on Wii. For now, the only exception I see on Wii is Opoona. But on the HD consoles, oh god! It's a disaster! Given the millions poured into the HD JRPG games, the bitterness must be high among developers. Of course, I expect the big ones, or the famous studios like Level 5 to sustain themselves despite putting big production values in their games, though I doubt even Level 5 can produce their own games on HD consoles. I think only Square Enix can survive that. Then, you have the studios paid by the console maker. And you have the level below, with new IP with medium production value, that will fail so abysmally that they'll be forced to go cross-platform. I'm thinking of Trusty Bell for example. Then the next level, like Namco, which will use lower production value still, but I bet if they fail abysmally too, they will also be forced to go cross-platform. I'm thinking of ToVesperia like games. Then, there are the lowest production value, that WoW was talking about. There are games like that, and they fail even more badly, because the HD consoles owner just find it unacceptable to pay such prices for so low quality compared to what the console makers promised. I'm thinking of games like Agarest Senki. These Idea Factory games could have lived easily on PS2, but on HD consoles, it seems few people want to even pay for them. Lots of people say that the western market will make these games viable. For now, reality shows the contrary. If anything, people are even more graphics whores in the West, and as such, the games even at the level of Trusty Bell or Blue Dragon are seen like garbage for kids. Thus the epic fails I felt would happen, and thus why most JRPG makers will IMHO be forced to go Wii or bankrupt. If no game is delayed, like I thought, the Wii will be the JRPG king before the end of H1 2008 in Japan, which is amazing. On another topic, I disagree with the people that say HD is easy because PC devs have done it for years. These people quickly forget that consoles are no PC power wise. The PC needed to run even the most basic of these games are more powerful than any console. You don't need to look at anything else beside memory. All these games that can be run in 1280x1024 (which is more than 720p) use PC that have 512 Mo of RAM or more, and are installed entirely on hard drives (that's for mass memory), which are faster than any optical drive. I'll not even talk about the processors and graphic cards. So no, really, there's no comparison as to the amount of work needed to optimize the games for consoles or for PC. That's why PC devs can survive with so low PC game sales : they have far less work to do to achieve the same thing. |
QFT. The amount of work needed to run a PC game and a console game is completely different, even after accounting for massive OS/background program hogs.
| Pk9394 said: Then there are consumer expectations, people dont pay premium for SD graphics they expect better, graphics standard is set at certain level for each console. For a game that target a very small base to have the cost of HD make over is absolutely invalid for any logical bussiness strategy. |
Let say you buy and play SSBB which it clear to me everyone says they don't care about graphics then compares and talk about SSBB graphics. ( I agree they look good) Let say during the game you get a very close up look at Mario and say "Wow, look at the details and amazing graphics." The cost of the 3D model of is the same rather SD or HD because you can use the exact same models. Yet 95% of the game you will not see Mario this close to see all those nice details. But when you use this exact same model in HD even though you won't see any more details in a close-up of Mario you will see these amazing details farther in the distance.
With most PC games you can change the resolution to match your monitor native resolution but uses the same 3d models. Again you can see greater details at greater distances but this requires the GPU to work harder. The more detailed goes into the 3d models the more it will cost. Of course with HD an artist can put even more details in close-ups if desired and thus cost more.
If true it's a smart move, Suikoden like a lot of JRPGs doesn't require top of the line graphics, so why not reach the largest audience?
Honestly I also wouldn't be surprised to hear it announced as a PS2 game.
a good portion of people who buy the niche games are the ones who look at review scores...and if a game has wii-like graphics on a ps3, it will be counted off dearly in the graphics score, which will hurt its overall score
Bets:Missed by 420k I bet leo-j vg$500 that wii will sell 31 million by 7/31/08. Sorry, I don't think he has enough vg$ to make it with all of u that wish you could. Hit, with room to spare I bet kingofwale a 1-week ban that wii Americas ltd sales>360 Americas ltd sales as of the numbers for week ending 7/05/08 (using vgchartz homepage #s)
Predictions:
Wii will sell 18-20mil by 12/31/07 CHECKWii will sell 45mil+ WW by 12/31/08Wii will surpass PS2 sales WW by 11/17/11 (5yr anniversary)Wii Fit will hit 12mil sales in 2009MKWii+SSBB+Wii Fit+SMG > 50 mil sales by 2010 > gta4+mgs+gt5+ff13+haze+lbp
i just looked for ps3 games in the RPG genre on ign...there are TWO
enchanted arms
oblivion
that's it
that's kinda shocking that ps3 only got 2 in its first 13 months
Bets:Missed by 420k I bet leo-j vg$500 that wii will sell 31 million by 7/31/08. Sorry, I don't think he has enough vg$ to make it with all of u that wish you could. Hit, with room to spare I bet kingofwale a 1-week ban that wii Americas ltd sales>360 Americas ltd sales as of the numbers for week ending 7/05/08 (using vgchartz homepage #s)
Predictions:
Wii will sell 18-20mil by 12/31/07 CHECKWii will sell 45mil+ WW by 12/31/08Wii will surpass PS2 sales WW by 11/17/11 (5yr anniversary)Wii Fit will hit 12mil sales in 2009MKWii+SSBB+Wii Fit+SMG > 50 mil sales by 2010 > gta4+mgs+gt5+ff13+haze+lbp
| scorptile said: from the box art i saw at gamestop the other day looks to me its multiplatform minus the ps3 like everything else is going |
Um...what?
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