Skeeuk said: Jay520 said: Skeeuk said: 360 doesnt have as many games simple as. i actually find it funny that many users try to defend this by saying microsofts approach is better. imo the more choice on the shelfs will always be the best option for gamers, having the same alternating games year after year is getting boring now I don't think many users here are trying to argue that Microsoft's approach is better. I think most people are saying it isn't bad and doesn't leave most gamers unsatisfied. but what would you want? thats the question if 360 over the course of the year had at least a retail exclusive a month that would be better for you as there may be something you might buy. obviously you cant buy every single one but you have the choice on the shelfs, it should be like ps3's lineups ie, few bigger games for the year few medium titles and possibly even some niche rpg's chucked in. if 360 had lineups like that combined with all the multiplats it would be a win for you. thats my take on it anyway

Yeah, that's just me. I may be interested in playing plenty of exclusives per console a year, but the vast majority only buys 2-3 exclusives for their console. In fact, now that I really think about it, this has been the case for me also. Every year, except for 2009, I've only bought two or three exclusives for each console. (in 2009, I got 5 exclusives for the PS3). I'm sure this is probably the case for the vast majority also. Microsoft does a good job of satisfying the vast majority with those 2-3 games, which are usually top quality.

S.T.A.G.E. said: Nothing a PS3/PC combo cant fix either.

That'll work if you don't want to play the Gears series, Forza series, Halo series, Fable series, etc. But I think you're smart enough to know your argument didn't hold water.

Mr Puggsly said: S.T.A.G.E. said: Nothing a PS3/PC combo cant fix either. That'll work if you don't want to play the Gears series, Forza series, Halo series, Fable series, etc. But I think you're smart enough to know your argument didn't hold water.

Fable can easily be replaced by Kingdoms of Alamur as a multiplat. I got more out of that game in an hour than I did out of Fable 3 or 2. Forza= Gran Turismo 5, Gears and Halo is all you've got left. Gears is finished.....need I say more? I think you're going to need another bucket, because the other one is full.

S.T.A.G.E. said: Mr Puggsly said: S.T.A.G.E. said: Nothing a PS3/PC combo cant fix either. That'll work if you don't want to play the Gears series, Forza series, Halo series, Fable series, etc. But I think you're smart enough to know your argument didn't hold water. Fable can easily be replaced by Kingdoms of Alamur as a multiplat. I got more out of that game in an hour than I did out of Fable 3 or 2. Forza= Gran Turismo 5, Gears and Halo is all you've got left. Gears is finished.....need I say more? I think you're going to need another bucket, because the other one is full.

I think what he's referring to people that actually WANT to play those games. If a person wants to play Fable, not a similar game. If a person want to play Forza, not Gran Turismo (which is a more realistic style anyway), If a person wants to play through the entire Gears franchise and multiplayer. (Are you trying to imply that because no more Gears games are being created, which hasn't been confirmed anyway, then all previous iterations are useless). If a person wants to play through the Halo campaigns and the multiplayer. If a person wants to play games not on the PS3 like Left4Dead, Splinter Cell, Etc, then their going to need an Xbox 360. In that case, it would be financially viable to just skip out on a PS3 & PC because the X360 has all of those things. And add in all the great 3rd party games and you've got yourself a great console.

S.T.A.G.E. said: Fable can easily be replaced by Kingdoms of Alamur as a multiplat. I got more out of that game in an hour than I did out of Fable 3 or 2.

Wait a minute, if a cross platform game  makes an exclusive redundant, you've just explained Sonys entire lack of success with their first party lineup.

Since you can get better "action adventure " (god I hate that made up genre) games in Batman: AA/AC, better racers in the form of Dirt, better Sandbox in RDR and GTA and better FPS in form of ...any CoD games and the sumpremely awesome lookung RE6   that makes Uncharted, Motorstorm, GT, Wipeout, ModNation Racers, Infamous, Killzone, Resistance, MAG and The Last of Us worthless. Especially since we all  got more out of the former games in an hour than I didthe latter games.

S.T.A.G.E. said: Gears and Halo is all you've got left.

That's like Brett Ratner telling James Cameron all he has is Avatar vs. Rush Hour 1-3.

S.T.A.G.E. said:  Gears is finished.....need I say more?

Whoops would be apt?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KT2m8u5n4ZUJ:www.microsoft-careers.com/job/Redmond-Producer,-Senior-IEB-Microsoft-Studios-Gears-of-War-%28771773%29-Job-WA-98052/1475813/+26+Dec+2011+%E2%80%93+Redmond+Producer,+Senior-IEB-Microsoft+Studios-Gears+of+War+%28771773%29+Job+-+WA,+98052.&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefo x-a

Microsoft already recruited a producer for further Gears of War games  a few weeks ago.

pezus said: You just see average and mostly forgettable games coming from Sony?

Well how many exclusives wer they supposed to have last year? Something ridiculous like 17? How many averaged above 90%? 2. How many - ahem - "hardcore" exclusives did MS have in the same year? 2 (not including CEA as is a remake). How many scored above 90%? 2.

These days you can't sell a system on filler games, you need blockbusters. Which Sony can't really manage, comparable scores yeah, but comparable sales. 'fraid not. A perfect metascore is worthless without demand. As you may have noted with the studios Sony closed/"streamlined" and those teetering on the brink (Team Ico/Evolution)  and Epics Rod Fergasson confirmed, you can't expect results on games like Bulletstorm.

Now this presents a problem for Sony as their downsizing co-incides with Microsoft expansion, and Microsoft has stated quite vocally, they aren'r really interested in filler (unless it's XBLA, where filler belongs) , they're going all for blockbusters from now on. Everything else is digital or a waste of time.

pezus said: Can't say the same for MS.

 Well without Microsoft there would be no Gears of War, Mass Effect, Crackdown,  Lost Odyssey. Although MS pretty much hit on other tiers in the last months of last generation, Forza and Fable were the seeds and their sequels the mighty oaks on Xbox 360. Between those 2, Kinect Adventures and the afformention Halo & Gears combo...they're covered for blockbusters. Maybe Sony still feels the needs to keep flinging and see what sticks, is because they're still reeling from the loss of GTA, FF, MGS, DMC, AC ect. and nothing much of theirs has really stuck this gen either.

S.T.A.G.E. said: Mr Puggsly said: S.T.A.G.E. said: Nothing a PS3/PC combo cant fix either. That'll work if you don't want to play the Gears series, Forza series, Halo series, Fable series, etc. But I think you're smart enough to know your argument didn't hold water. Fable can easily be replaced by Kingdoms of Alamur as a multiplat. I got more out of that game in an hour than I did out of Fable 3 or 2. Forza= Gran Turismo 5, Gears and Halo is all you've got left. Gears is finished.....need I say more? I think you're going to need another bucket, because the other one is full.

Jay520 gave you a better response than I would have. So I recommend reading his post if you haven't already.

Ultimately, in the 360's six years thus far there are quite a few great games you can only experience on the 360.

I own 360, PS3, Wii, DS, and PSP. I use the 360 most of all, while the others collect dust but I don't regret buying any of them because I got entertainment out of all of them. If you got some entertainment out of your 360 at some point, great. That should justify its purchase. But if its no longer your cup of tea you don't have to whine about it. You especially don't have to beat people over the head with your PS3 erection.

You know what I hate about VGChartz?

People who are incapable of cutting down quote trains.

pezus said: None of the bolded games were made by MS, that's what I meant.

All of them would not exist without Microsoft. That's the truth of the matter.

pezus said: Loss of MGS? Please, enlighten me.

Metal Gear Solid?

pezus said: And Sony actually had 3 90+ exclusives in 2011, 4 if you count ICO/SotC.

Why would we count games that are not exclusive in an exclusive comparison?

pezus said: Go down to 80+ and you really see a difference.

Yet makes no difference at all...just like Rush Hour 3.

These Xbox 360 vs. PS3 arguments over exclusives leave me wondering about the future when Nintendo will, presumably, enter the HD market on equal footing with Microsoft and Sony with the WiiU. This gen has seen Nintendo largely written off from the exclusive debates because motion controls and non-HD graphics put their games into a different category in the eyes of core gamers.

Nintendo's greatest strength has always been its memorable and timeless first party exclusives that seem to attract both gamers and non gamers alike. Assuming that the WiiU has a comprable online system, I wonder how Sony and Microsoft will compete. If all of the big multiplats will be on WiiU it will come down to exclusives which Nintendo easily wins out on in terms of number and quality. If people can buy a WiiU and play their Madden, CoD, and ect. along with all of the Nintendo first party exclusives (and maybe a third party exclusive here and there) I don't see any reason to own a Xbox 720 or Playstation 4 unless Sony and Microsoft can develop some new quality first party exclusives.

Microsoft may move some 720s on Halo and Gears, and Sony has its supporters, but if Nintendo does things right (securing a quality online framework) they could have a very good thing going for them next gen ... all of the power and HD/online abilities of Microsoft and Sony coupled with the extensive exclusive lineup that Nintendo has always and will always have unless they go bankrupt.

Speaking as someone who doesn't care for any exclusives really (third party games make up my favorite and must play list). I could see those unloyal to a particular brand would find Nintendo rather appealing since it will get all the third party games anyways along with all the Nintendo exclusives ... which, I think we can all agree, are at least a decent lineup of titles. It was Zelda, Mario, Brawl, and ect that got me to turn on my Wii even though my gaming options on Xbox and PS3 were of much higher quality at least graphically and onine connectivity wise.

Jay520 said: S.T.A.G.E. said: Mr Puggsly said: S.T.A.G.E. said: Nothing a PS3/PC combo cant fix either. That'll work if you don't want to play the Gears series, Forza series, Halo series, Fable series, etc. But I think you're smart enough to know your argument didn't hold water. Fable can easily be replaced by Kingdoms of Alamur as a multiplat. I got more out of that game in an hour than I did out of Fable 3 or 2. Forza= Gran Turismo 5, Gears and Halo is all you've got left. Gears is finished.....need I say more? I think you're going to need another bucket, because the other one is full. I think what he's referring to people that actually WANT to play those games. If a person wants to play Fable, not a similar game. If a person want to play Forza, not Gran Turismo (which is a more realistic style anyway), If a person wants to play through the entire Gears franchise and multiplayer. (Are you trying to imply that because no more Gears games are being created, which hasn't been confirmed anyway, then all previous iterations are useless). If a person wants to play through the Halo campaigns and the multiplayer. If a person wants to play games not on the PS3 like Left4Dead, Splinter Cell, Etc, then their g oing to need an Xbox 360. In that case, it would be financially viable to just skip out on a PS3 & PC because the X360 has all of those things. And add in all the great 3rd party games and you've got yourself a great console.

Gears is finished for this gen and their exclusivity contract with Microsoft is up, so on that third party exclusivity is over until they say otherwise. Microsoft has got the Witcher 2, but anyone with a PC doesnt need to play it on a 360. I have a 360 so I will enjoy at least that an possibly Halo 4 for this year as a whole in the year of 2012. On the other hand I'll be enjoying Sly 4 and new experiences Starhawk, Dust 514, Twisted Metal, the Last Guardian. This has to be the PS3's strongest and most varied multiplayer year yet and if no one will tip their hat to that I'll be the one to do it. Its not like I dont like the 360, because I do (otherwise I wouldn't have invested in the newer model), but Microsoft plans with it are my biggest problem. I can give credit where it is due, but I will call you on your bullshit when you screw up,  Simple. As you can see I'm not one of those types of people who like to sit there and just take it. Fable 3 being on PC just stupid on Microsofts part. I didnt even like it, but still.