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Silver-Tiger said:

Wow, this is getting huge dimensions:

Anonymous just took down the websites of the Department of Justice, Universal Music Group, RIAA and MPAA. Yep, all at the same time. And that's not all:

the websites of the Police of Utah, the US-Copyright Office, the french Copyright agency Hadopi were attacked. Even an attack on WhiteHouse.gov is planned.

...and here comes the spicy part: Anonymous says this is just the beginning.

Source is Crissindahouse's link.

Geez! O_O Did they announce there next attack or was it leaked? 



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Tehehehe ^_^
Well deserves.
(I'm talking about the above post BTW )



I made a new topic about Anon's attack here, so the discussion can concentrate on actual Megaupload discussion:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138983



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

Dang thats crazy



My problem with this whole thing is the following. I am not pro-piracy and IP theft, it's just that it is far, far easier to acquire many items by piracy than not. It's the same problem with DRM over in PC gaming, where in their efforts to guarantee that the game is bought legitimately, they make it harder for legitimate purchasers

Think of this: MegaVideo had a good business model. If you like to watch a lot (more than 72 minutes a day) you could get a subscription and do so, similarly for download volume. Everything was ad-supported. All you have to do is reach out with these companies. Get this music, this software, these TV shows and movies, up there legitimately, and then you have something.

The problem with the "War on Piracy" is that it's really just about the big media companies who refuse to adapt. Some of the manga scanlations i read online would take months to arrive in print format in the USA. Why can't the legitimate companies just do what the pirates are doing and make it legitimate? If scanlators can turn over a cleaned-up, translated chapter of One Piece in under 24 hours, why can't Viz Media? The demand is clearly there, so do it, and make some money off of these customers instead of zero money

You can see a good deal of this out there already. Crunchyroll does legit and very fast fansubs for multiple series, sites like Hulu, or Netflix streaming, even Toei and Funimation work together to get One Piece episodes out within an hour of the Japanese air time

This is why i fear the anti-piracy laws, not because i'll have to pay for things, but because these businesses will never learn if they just bitch to government and continue making it such that the only way to watch X on your own time is to wait 5 months for an overpriced DVD box set. If piracy endures, eventually everyone will prosper, because the solutions i have proposed will only increase revenue and not decrease it (the people who want full-series on DVD are still going to buy it, the people who want to go to the movie theatres, or want print collections of manga, will still buy them, but a whole new market of revenue, either ad-supported or at low costs, will be opened up)



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

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NintendoPie said:
Silver-Tiger said:

Wow, this is getting huge dimensions:

Anonymous just took down the websites of the Department of Justice, Universal Music Group, RIAA and MPAA. Yep, all at the same time. And that's not all:

the websites of the Police of Utah, the US-Copyright Office, the french Copyright agency Hadopi were attacked. Even an attack on WhiteHouse.gov is planned.

...and here comes the spicy part: Anonymous says this is just the beginning.

Source is Crissindahouse's link.

Geez! O_O Did they announce there next attack or was it leaked? 





Raido said:
NintendoPie said:
Silver-Tiger said:

Wow, this is getting huge dimensions:

Anonymous just took down the websites of the Department of Justice, Universal Music Group, RIAA and MPAA. Yep, all at the same time. And that's not all:

the websites of the Police of Utah, the US-Copyright Office, the french Copyright agency Hadopi were attacked. Even an attack on WhiteHouse.gov is planned.

...and here comes the spicy part: Anonymous says this is just the beginning.

Source is Crissindahouse's link.

Geez! O_O Did they announce there next attack or was it leaked? 



0_o



Mr Khan said:
My problem with this whole thing is the following. I am not pro-piracy and IP theft, it's just that it is far, far easier to acquire many items by piracy than not. It's the same problem with DRM over in PC gaming, where in their efforts to guarantee that the game is bought legitimately, they make it harder for legitimate purchasers

This is why i fear the anti-piracy laws, not because i'll have to pay for things, but because these businesses will never learn if they just bitch to government and continue making it such that the only way to watch X on your own time is to wait 5 months for an overpriced DVD box set. If piracy endures, eventually everyone will prosper, because the solutions i have proposed will only increase revenue and not decrease it (the people who want full-series on DVD are still going to buy it, the people who want to go to the movie theatres, or want print collections of manga, will still buy them, but a whole new market of revenue, either ad-supported or at low costs, will be opened up)

Oh Mr Khan I think I love you. My biggest problem with anti-piracy stuff is that it never does ANYTHING to pirates and always seems to hurt me. Perfect example. I move between countries a fair bit. I have a very extensive collection of dvds. So much so that even taking just the discs alone in a case adds a hefty weight to my suitcase. Meaning I either have to pay for extra luggage, leave things behind or pay for extra shipping (which I then sometimes have to pay VAT on .... yes I hate you UK government -_-)

So I decided to just buy a hard-drive and rip my movies to it. I'm not going to share them with anyone (why would I?) I only want it for convenience. However most of the dvds are impossible to rip without buying extra software.... Of course there is always one pirate who does this and so all these things are on file sharing websites. So we have a situation where I can't put my movie on my computer but someone who wants to pirate it can......ARGG. I know some people would say ''Oh just because you own the disc doesn't mean you should own a digital copy'' well that is nonsense, it's my movie -_-

Same thing with audio books. I decided to buy some Terry Pratchett ones. I bought the first one as an experiment... it's in a specialized file format and will only play on certain things.... SERIOUSLY? Trying to move it between MP3 players was impossible. I'm not going to pirate the rest however I simply won't buy the others, which is a shame as I adore Terry Pratchett. 

Same thing with Heroes of might and magic 5. It has copy protection that pirates avoid, while for legit players it is horrible. Lose your connection? Lose your game! No anti-piracy stuff EVER stops people from pirating it. All it does do is make it harder for normal customers. 

The way to deal with piracy is to find ways to reward the real customers. Not try and attempt to prevent piracy while punishing your customers. I would say that companies themselves have probably lost as much money from trying to fight piracy as potential lost sales revenue caused by piracy. Have ad supported streaming stuff, think of ways to benefit customers etc etc. They have this weird backwards attitude. It's like blockbuster when internet streaming started taking off, rather than go with it and adjust they tried to fight it and were dragged down. 



Turkish says and I'm allowed to quote that: Uncharted 3 and God Of War 3 look better than Unreal Engine 4 games will or the tech demo does. Also the Naughty Dog PS3 ENGINE PLAYS better than the UE4 ENGINE.

All these bills will never pass, but like Mr Khan says, it's the fact that they are even coming up that is troublesome. Every movie I ever downloaded, I also own the DVD for. Sometimes I bought the DVD because of the download, others, I just wanted quick digital access to a certain scene (king kong fighting t-rexs) and its a lot easier to do that then find it on a DVD and play that. Any song I ever downloaded, I could go on youtube and listen to it from a legitimate uploader (most often the band/singer/whatever).

Back in the day, people recorded radio songs on their cassette tapes ALL THE TIME. That was fine, but you rip it from a cd and then burn your own mixtape and give it to a friend? JAILLLLLL.

The industries, mainly the music one, screwed themselves. CDs soon after their mass production, cost MUCH less than a cassette tape to make. Yet the prices were $20 for a CD! And have only gone down recently since MP3's became so popular (legitimate ones more so than CDs). This is what happens when you rip off the consumer to a point that they have no alternative.

And every article from the mainsteam media that I read says CHINA is the problem with their piracy, not US or EU citizens or anyone else! Just China! So deal with CHINA... don't enact obtuse laws HERE. Deal with the source, China.



BOOM!  FACE KICK!

Zim said:
Mr Khan said:
My problem with this whole thing is the following. I am not pro-piracy and IP theft, it's just that it is far, far easier to acquire many items by piracy than not. It's the same problem with DRM over in PC gaming, where in their efforts to guarantee that the game is bought legitimately, they make it harder for legitimate purchasers

This is why i fear the anti-piracy laws, not because i'll have to pay for things, but because these businesses will never learn if they just bitch to government and continue making it such that the only way to watch X on your own time is to wait 5 months for an overpriced DVD box set. If piracy endures, eventually everyone will prosper, because the solutions i have proposed will only increase revenue and not decrease it (the people who want full-series on DVD are still going to buy it, the people who want to go to the movie theatres, or want print collections of manga, will still buy them, but a whole new market of revenue, either ad-supported or at low costs, will be opened up)

Oh Mr Khan I think I love you. My biggest problem with anti-piracy stuff is that it never does ANYTHING to pirates and always seems to hurt me. Perfect example. I move between countries a fair bit. I have a very extensive collection of dvds. So much so that even taking just the discs alone in a case adds a hefty weight to my suitcase. Meaning I either have to pay for extra luggage, leave things behind or pay for extra shipping (which I then sometimes have to pay VAT on .... yes I hate you UK government -_-)

So I decided to just buy a hard-drive and rip my movies to it. I'm not going to share them with anyone (why would I?) I only want it for convenience. However most of the dvds are impossible to rip without buying extra software.... Of course there is always one pirate who does this and so all these things are on file sharing websites. So we have a situation where I can't put my movie on my computer but someone who wants to pirate it can......ARGG. I know some people would say ''Oh just because you own the disc doesn't mean you should own a digital copy'' well that is nonsense, it's my movie -_-

Same thing with audio books. I decided to buy some Terry Pratchett ones. I bought the first one as an experiment... it's in a specialized file format and will only play on certain things.... SERIOUSLY? Trying to move it between MP3 players was impossible. I'm not going to pirate the rest however I simply won't buy the others, which is a shame as I adore Terry Pratchett. 

Same thing with Heroes of might and magic 5. It has copy protection that pirates avoid, while for legit players it is horrible. Lose your connection? Lose your game! No anti-piracy stuff EVER stops people from pirating it. All it does do is make it harder for normal customers. 

The way to deal with piracy is to find ways to reward the real customers. Not try and attempt to prevent piracy while punishing your customers. I would say that companies themselves have probably lost as much money from trying to fight piracy as potential lost sales revenue caused by piracy. Have ad supported streaming stuff, think of ways to benefit customers etc etc. They have this weird backwards attitude. It's like blockbuster when internet streaming started taking off, rather than go with it and adjust they tried to fight it and were dragged down. 


There are actually people who say that? God, what a bunch of jerks.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.