Describe "much of an outside influence", because they were being undercut by hundreds on the same size tvs.

Nobody cares about contrast ratio etc etc. They want a 42" for 400 or less.

While I agree with you about the brand, and way too much overhead, but I think you're also trying to make the situation appear easier than it was.

If I were to go and look at the timeline, I'm sure I could figure out why it started 8 years ago. Your explanation leaves a sour taste, as it explains nothing at all.

And yes, economic stagnation started shortly after 9/11 for the USA, and fell into recession in 2008.

1. Haha, they make games for casuals after they saw how successful Nintendo was with it. Nobody asked them for it, they did it only for the profit... Nintendo on the other hand listened to their fans (WM+, Metroid: Other M, 3DS lineup, HD Wii). Doesn't matter if you like it, they listened and that's the point of this thread.

2. What types of players? Rich people and people with a lot of money? xD Just kidding. But I don't get you point...

3. For example? 

4. Who besides Microsoft does that anyway? Hardly a feat...

5. And Ninty does the same for me :D

Is this the evil Microsoft who extended the 360 warranty globally at a cost of one billion dollars to aid their customers while Sony have had systemic issues with the PS1,2 and 3 and never extended the warranty for these faults. 

They offer PSN for free because it's inferior to Live, pure and simple.

Microsoft have gone to greater lengths for their customer contrary to your belief they've done nothing.  Everything from the added television services and extra console features while Sony have spent the last 18 months stripping features from their console. 

Lose the rose tinted spetacles and realise they care nothing about you, it's a strategy to get your money off you, pure and simple.

Nah. I think that all three are concerned with us buying their products equally.

yeah... and selling at a loss says exactly that...

of course they care about money... its a business... but i do think, sony does want to reach people by giving them good products with good support to make them fans, gain market share, after this comes profit ... MS IMO has a different approach... they want to give people a product that is profitable, mainly (XBL gold yearly fee says exactly that), and the quality and support come after that!
nint is a mix of them both... being Japanese and being American can have a lot to do with it.  

of course this is opinion and a personal view of things.

about the quote on your post... i would get a second job to be able to have anything worth, or that i really want (car, phone, console, shoes, bigger breast for my GF, etc) its called common sense.

Now we'll know why your controllers are sticky if we ever get invited over.

You think Sony sells at a loss for the fans? They sell at a loss because they think they can recoup those losses and get those profits elsewhere. It's called a loss leading strategy.

MS is just the same as Sony, they use the loss-leading strategy too. They also want to make people fans of their products and gain marketshare. Any company that sells products wants that.

The whole "second job" fiasco was arrogance from Sony being a bit too over-confident coming from two very successful previous generations. No console is worth $600 except to a small subset of hardcore fans and Sony learned that this generation. 

if sony really cared about their consumers they'd put all there games on bittorrent. sharing is caring afterall.

 You better run after making such a statement!

New best post of the thread. XD