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naruball said:
Some of you have no idea what's going on. Greece is forced to buy those weapons. You think it's a coincidence that the country they're buying weapons from is the one lending them money? Germany and the Eurozone have complete control over Greece. Hell even the Prime Minister was forced to resign and they appointed someone else themselves. Democracy has pretty much collapsed in Greece.

Then again, it's easier to judge someone by reading one article than knowing most of the facts.

Finally someone says what must be said. This is nothing new since the bailouts started, Portugal and Ireland themselves were forced to buy weapons from the germans and the french as part of the bailout deals. 

Funny thing though, Portugal bought two submarines from the Germans back in 2004, before this whole crisis started. Until today, we've only received one submarine, which was in poor conditions and the other is nowhere to be seen, because the military "contractor" was just a front cover for a german tax-evasion company which ran away with the 250M€ Portugal paid for each submarine. Of course, the Portugal Minister of Defense back then (Paulo Portas) had much of the blame himself, and there's a trial going on still to find out the truth behind it, unfortunatly, with Portas as Minister of Foreign Relations now, that trial is been put on "hold".

Just one of the many poor, shoody and let's say it, shitty deals, the "periphery" eurozone countries have had with the central eurozone powers, germany and france. 



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naruball said:
Some of you have no idea what's going on. Greece is forced to buy those weapons. You think it's a coincidence that the country they're buying weapons from is the one lending them money? Germany and the Eurozone have complete control over Greece. Hell even the Prime Minister was forced to resign and they appointed someone else themselves. Democracy has pretty much collapsed in Greece.

Then again, it's easier to judge someone by reading one article than knowing most of the facts.


All the more reason why countries need to keep their financial house in order; after all, he who pays the piper calls the tune.



HappySqurriel said:
naruball said:
Some of you have no idea what's going on. Greece is forced to buy those weapons. You think it's a coincidence that the country they're buying weapons from is the one lending them money? Germany and the Eurozone have complete control over Greece. Hell even the Prime Minister was forced to resign and they appointed someone else themselves. Democracy has pretty much collapsed in Greece.

Then again, it's easier to judge someone by reading one article than knowing most of the facts.


All the more reason why countries need to keep their financial house in order; after all, he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Greece screwed up big time for many years and it's mostly their fault that they are in such dept. However, by forcing them to buy new weapons, they make sure that they will always be in dept and thus certain countries can have complete control over them. 

Think of it this way. You commit a crime and you go to jail. You're told that if you wanna get out, you need to go steal again. By stealing, you commit yet another crime, so you're sentenced to more years in prison and have no chance of ever getting out.

How many countries haven't screwed up? Wasn't America in big trouble before getting huge loans from the Chinese? Should have they been told to clean up their mess themselves?



kowenicki said:
greeceps3 said:

ok the ideal person to talk about this topic would be a greek and i happen to be one....i am very disappointed with the turkish answer because he doesn't know that the the history of my grandfather is greater that that of all turkey...i admit that we are facing a crisis but this is something every country has faced,is facing or will face and you,and i am not talkin only about the turkish, should not be so agressive with us....now....if we bankrupt it will have a lot of consequences for the global community so we need to cooperate...you should also know our tourism is probably the best in the world ...anyway this is gaming site but don't write thinks you don't know...just read some history

Whilst I sympathise... I dont think thats entirely true.  The Greek problem can be soaked up just about, the Greek economy is tiny.

I agree with this concept, in relation to the overall economy giants of the eurozone. Greece, Portugal, Ireland and even Spain (to some degree) can be considered tiny economies. 

But you've also got to remember what other economy is hanging on a very thing ledge: Italy. 

If any of the "tiny" economies collapse, then that would just create a cascade problem in which the Italian economy will also be a casualty. And if Italy's economy falls, then unfortunately, there's no way to just soak it up.



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I wonder what the Greeks of old would say about the current state of affairs now? There was no other state that loathed vassaldom or being conquered more and they were also the grandfathers of modern, Western democracy and are forced under the monetary whip of Western Europe.

naruball; well said.

Turkish; the Turks I know come here to set up a business and then go back home on vacation because its cheap and they make loads of money here. Why do they immigrate and go back home only for their vacations if the Turkish economy is so healthy and the job market so ripe? The 10% of your country that actually resides within European borders is even less significant than 100% of Greece as far as the rest of Europe is concerned. Due to industrialization and manufacture relocations, Slovenia and Slovakia have a lot more impact on European economy than Turkey or Greece.



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haxxiy said:
They are going to reconquer Constantinople and have the germans intervene when Turkey fights back.

Defeated Turkey pays for the war, Greece uses the money she earned to bailout her economy, war boosts scientific and technological advancements, Europe is back to her rails.

Is this from the next Call of Duty or the Greek localization of Homefront 2?



naruball said:
HappySqurriel said:
naruball said:
Some of you have no idea what's going on. Greece is forced to buy those weapons. You think it's a coincidence that the country they're buying weapons from is the one lending them money? Germany and the Eurozone have complete control over Greece. Hell even the Prime Minister was forced to resign and they appointed someone else themselves. Democracy has pretty much collapsed in Greece.

Then again, it's easier to judge someone by reading one article than knowing most of the facts.


All the more reason why countries need to keep their financial house in order; after all, he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Greece screwed up big time for many years and it's mostly their fault that they are in such dept. However, by forcing them to buy new weapons, they make sure that they will always be in dept and thus certain countries can have complete control over them. 

Think of it this way. You commit a crime and you go to jail. You're told that if you wanna get out, you need to go steal again. By stealing, you commit yet another crime, so you're sentenced to more years in prison and have no chance of ever getting out.

How many countries haven't screwed up? Wasn't America in big trouble before getting huge loans from the Chinese? Should have they been told to clean up their mess themselves?


Buying weapons doesn't ensure that Greece will remain in debt ...

Much like going to a loan shark, seeking a bailout from a foreign country rather than accept the much more painful process of getting your financial house in order on your own puts you on very weak diplomatic terms with that country; and you're likely going to get exploited by them. The fact that Greeks were unwilling to accept years of pain from independent austerity means that they will face decades of servitude.

Unfortunately, I think the United States (and many other western nations) are on the same path.



Stupid Greeks seriously.. We know all they are trying to do is compete with turkey. They should have realised by now that they are in no state to compete whatsoever. Kick them out the EU.

Youre obliged to have a strong military? Paranoid to the max lol. Nobody cares... Stop you're people eating shit off the floor before you think about anything else..



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badgenome said:
haxxiy said:
They are going to reconquer Constantinople and have the germans intervene when Turkey fights back.

Defeated Turkey pays for the war, Greece uses the money she earned to bailout her economy, war boosts scientific and technological advancements, Europe is back to her rails.

Is this from the next Call of Duty or the Greek localization of Homefront 2?


Hey, life mimics art. And Greece is certainly not spending in weapons to billions to contain civil unrest, pal.