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Rpruett said:

When you remove the walls between state and religion, bad things are going to happen. There is a reason why gay marriage is illegal. Why sexism is still prevelant. Things that directly affect me (considering I am a gay american, and for that reason alone I will fight Ron Paul to the death), and things that affect millions of people. Ron Paul isn't the cure, he's the problem. He's another conservative that wants to let religion into government, and I and millions of other Americans will NEVER get rights if that is allowed to happen.

You do realize Ron Paul supports gay marriage right?  You do realize his whole stance is,  no one should be punished for their belief system, regardless of race, creed, sexuality, etc?    You have as much rights as anyone else does.  However, you don't get to decide the thoughts or control what other people think or feel or how they act either.   Freedom is a two way street.  Freedom and Liberty doesn't mean you have everything the way you want it,  it means that everyone gets Freedom and Liberty.

Sirstopp is hilariously wrong when he says that gay marriage is illegal, as I'm pretty sure the government isn't going around arresting people for entering into a homosexual marriage. There's a world of difference between something being against the law and merely being unrecognized by the government. That said, Ron Paul does not in any meaningful sense support gay marriage.



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mai said:
What should I do in order to vote for Ron Paul? Probably too much to bother :D Still... Go Ron Paul!

Well he's running as a Republican so register as Republican if you live in a closed Caucus or Closed Primary state. If you live in an Open state, just show up and vote for him during your Primary. Even if you are a "Democrat", Ron Paul is such a different kind of politicial that he doesn't fit in our dumb, rigid, Republican vs Democrat system. He's just an awesome candidate either way. I'm a conservative (hate associating myself with the Republican party though), but if I was a Democrat I'd vote for him



His stand on EVERYTHING says that if the Constitution does not AUTHORIZE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO IT, its a State's issue. That's what the Constitution says. That's GREAT. Would love that to happen. The Fed's only job really should be protect the land, print money (NOT hand that duty off to the Federal Reserve), and a few other things that are lined out in the Constitution. He says Income Tax is illegal (and it technically is according to the Constitution), so he wants to end it. How awesome would that be? A balanced budget without federal income tax.



You're only liking him because you don't know enough about him.

He is not actually a libertarian - he is in many respects, but then conveniently casts those beliefs aside at times.
He acknowledges that climate change is real, but doesn't believe it is a major issue.
He would like to see the US withdraw from the UN.
He has so many oddball policies it's hard to see any clear beliefs he actually holds.

The only significant reason to get Ron Paul into power is that he will hasten the decline of America as a world power, and he is against war. So we will see the USA simply fade away swiftly and peacefully. Whereas if others get in the transition will take a bit longer and will likely be much more violent.



scottie said:
You're only liking him because you don't know enough about him.

He is not actually a libertarian - he is in many respects, but then conveniently casts those beliefs aside at times.
He acknowledges that climate change is real, but doesn't believe it is a major issue.
He would like to see the US withdraw from the UN.
He has so many oddball policies it's hard to see any clear beliefs he actually holds.

The only significant reason to get Ron Paul into power is that he will hasten the decline of America as a world power, and he is against war. So we will see the USA simply fade away swiftly and peacefully. Whereas if others get in the transition will take a bit longer and will likely be much more violent.

That is wrong. Ron Paul wants to RESTORE America by getting the budget under control and making trade partners and friendships with other countries instead of just randomly bombing them. He will not start any illegal wars such as Iraq or now Libya. He wants to secure the borders as well. With Romney, Obama, Santorum, etc, all we are getting is another fiscally-irresponsible president who is content to collect his paycheck and watch America crash and burn. Ron Paul has never voted for a congressional pay raise, never voted to raise taxes, didn't vote for bailouts, PATRIOT Act, or TARP. He is the only 1-faced political who says what he believes and doesn't stray from it.



scottie said:
You're only liking him because you don't know enough about him.

He is not actually a libertarian - he is in many respects, but then conveniently casts those beliefs aside at times.
He acknowledges that climate change is real, but doesn't believe it is a major issue.
He would like to see the US withdraw from the UN.
He has so many oddball policies it's hard to see any clear beliefs he actually holds.

Everyone is an oddball if you dig deep enough, sometimes it's easier to ignore such little whims .

scottie said:

The only significant reason to get Ron Paul into power is that he will hasten the decline of America as a world power, and he is against war. So we will see the USA simply fade away swiftly and peacefully.

That's why I like him.

scottie said:

 Whereas if others get in the transition will take a bit longer and will likely be much more violent.

That's what I believe will happen.

 

Funny picture, just to entertain you, people :D



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i would actually vote for him if i was an American!



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

VetteDude said:

That is wrong. Ron Paul wants to RESTORE America by getting the budget under control and making trade partners and friendships with other countries instead of just randomly bombing them. He will not start any illegal wars such as Iraq or now Libya. He wants to secure the borders as well. With Romney, Obama, Santorum, etc, all we are getting is another fiscally-irresponsible president who is content to collect his paycheck and watch America crash and burn. Ron Paul has never voted for a congressional pay raise, never voted to raise taxes, didn't vote for bailouts, PATRIOT Act, or TARP. He is the only 1-faced political who says what he believes and doesn't stray from it.

That's a good attitude, but you can't restore what ain't broken. Scratch that, America IS broken, but not in the way you think. It is supposed to have debt-driven economy, it is supposed to bomb other countries (well, at least the ones they can bomb safely). That's its sole role in the post-WW2, post-BWS world order - to serve as a global regulator through military strength, financial institutions and ideological structure, and it's been unchallenged in that for 20 years now. America is broken in another way - simply because it cannot operate as global regulator anymore, i.e. loosing its legitmation reasoning - so either America or present world order (meaning entire world as we know it) should go.

But I severly doubt America can operate somehow differently, since the problem is not in America itself, the same way the problem wasn't in Britain when it's gone as a third pillar of post-WW2 world and global power. Other two pillars were doing everything to sink the ship of Britain so to speak, and they succeeded at that. Great Britain as it used to be is no more and never will be again. This time the mess will be bigger than Suez crisis, since the US won't go peacefully.

As for your voting suggestion, well, thanks but that was a joke on my part :D I can't register anywhere since I don't have US citizenship.



mai said:


Funnily enough, Israel actually more-or-less supports Ron Paul, not the other candidates.



SamuelRSmith said:
mai said:


Funnily enough, Israel actually more-or-less supports Ron Paul, not the other candidates.

It's David Dees for god's sake, don't you know him? I beleive, Star of David is supposed to reprsent global Zionism on his pictures (didn't you notice other logos on hydra? I thought it was rather obvious). Cool guy, somewhat talented in his own weird way :D



scottie said:
You're only liking him because you don't know enough about him.

He is not actually a libertarian - he is in many respects, but then conveniently casts those beliefs aside at times.

How so? I'm always willing to see evidence of things, but you can't just make claims without providing supporting evidence.


He acknowledges that climate change is real, but doesn't believe it is a major issue.

If true (again, provide evidence), this only makes me like him more, as it is exactly my view. How is potential poverty and disease in the future such a high priority, when we have definite poverty and disease today?


He would like to see the US withdraw from the UN.

Good.


He has so many oddball policies it's hard to see any clear beliefs he actually holds.

The only significant reason to get Ron Paul into power is that he will hasten the decline of America as a world power, and he is against war. So we will see the USA simply fade away swiftly and peacefully. Whereas if others get in the transition will take a bit longer and will likely be much more violent.

Ron Paul's policies will get the US economy and the dollar growing in strength again. The biggest threat to American supremacy is the debt within. America will be nothing when its currency can't buy anything. Under Paul, the military will still be, by far, the strongest in the world. It will, however be more focused within. Closing bases around the world, and reopening some within the USA. Focused on defending the borders. Paul's policies will not make America weaker, it will only make them stronger. His views on foreign policy will also far improve its soft power (economic, diplomatic), which many argue is far more effective than hard (military) power.