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adriane23 said:
There's no point in outlawing guns in the U.S. because it's too easy to get one illegally. On that note owning a gun for "security" is stupid. The criminal with nothing to lose will come out the winner 9 times out of 10 unless you're hyper paranoid and expect to be attacked 24/7.


I would think someone defending their family's lives with everything to lose would take the odds.



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deskpro2k3 said:
Jexy said:


Which happened 100 years ago?  You want to move the millions of humans now?  Are we even being realistic?

if you want to be realistic, obviously your idea is not an option.. it is not as it was 100 years ago.  At this point in time we have no choice but to keep the deers under control in these hunting games. its not a matter of survival. that is why each hunter plays a lottery that tells them what they can hunt and how many. 

I know you were replying to him and his idea.  I'm aware how it all works :p  I'm glad more people do!



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maximus22 said:
adriane23 said:
There's no point in outlawing guns in the U.S. because it's too easy to get one illegally. On that note owning a gun for "security" is stupid. The criminal with nothing to lose will come out the winner 9 times out of 10 unless you're hyper paranoid and expect to be attacked 24/7.


I would think someone defending their family's lives with everything to lose would take the odds.


Not only that but the statistics say just about the exact opposite of what this guy says.



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Jexy said:
chris.m95 said:
Jexy said:
 


Which happened 100 years ago?  You want to move the millions of humans now?  Are we even being realistic?

Deer are no real harm to humans, They share the land with other animals so why cant you share with them? Theres no harm in sharing you know and to them your the infestation

Ok buddy.  Go hug all the deer and be friends.  Let me know how that turns out.

Hey, im no idiot or tree hugging hippy. I much prefer humans to animals but we have to remember that we too are animals. Segregation from animals, violence towards them all of this leads to war in us humans and one day these animals are likely to evolve an instinct, a hatred towads us. Whats so bad with living with animals anyway? if there is a system to allow for it whats the problem?



Wait... does this mean im not human?

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Jexy said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Jexy said:
 

One I agree, those Scandanavian countries are some of the best to live in. 

However, they aren't exactly in line with how the USA is at all, nevermind politically, I mean diversity.

Those countries, like most countries in the world that aren't the USA, are not diverse at all.  It's just a bunch of like-minded white people.  The more diversity, the more hatred, and the more crime.  In the USA, black people hate white people, hispanic people hate blacks, white people hate hispanics, etc etc etc.  Other countries do not have to deal with this mix of populations.  Sure, it's a small % of the population who does this, but all that gang crime happens mostly between the low lifes in their all black, all hispanic, and all white gangs.  And they fight eachother.  Even prison divides up into ethnicities.  Sometimes things aren't so pretty when you have uneducated (and unable to be educated) people living in poverty, who resort to animal like behavior in "proving" themselves to be the tough guy.  I mean shoot, the number one way for a black man to die in this country is to be shot, and by another black man. 

Also, the USA is WAY bigger than those countries... so once you have so many cities that are so much larger, etc... crime starts to happen.  I think the rest of Europe right now is proving that those Scandanavian systems don't work on a larger scale. 

Also, not sure where that graph is from... but Egypt being one of the more peaceful countries?  What a joke.

Ok, I completely agree with you. The point I was making is that scandinavia is a great place to live, even with the very high taxes. What does this have to do with the point I was making? 

Well the topic is about USA and guns, and the crime.  I took what you said and applied it to the topic.  Scandinavia isn't great because of the high taxes and socialistic properties, it's great because everyone is the same and they all agree on the main topics that normally throw most diverse countries off course.   So if someone were to read what you wrote, then say, the USA should be like that, I'm just saying it wouldn't work. 

Look I really do understand and agree with you, that was just a reply to someone elses claim that high taxes in Scandinavia was a bad thing. I was simply telling him that they aren't a bad thing for Scandinavia. I know the systems in place in Scandinavian countries only work on a small scale. When did I say the USA should be like that? I think the USA should be the opposite.

I'm still struggling to see how your replies relate to that post, sorry for the misunderstanding.



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chris.m95 said:
Jexy said:

Ok buddy.  Go hug all the deer and be friends.  Let me know how that turns out.

Hey, im no idiot or tree hugging hippy. I much prefer humans to animals but we have to remember that we too are animals. Segregation from animals, violence towards them all of this leads to war in us humans and one day these animals are likely to evolve an instinct, a hatred towads us. Whats so bad with living with animals anyway? if there is a system to allow for it whats the problem?

WTF are you talking about?

You sound exactly like a tree hugging hippie. 

And there is a system in place.  It's called hunting.  If it wasn't for it, most of the food (non meat) you eat wouldn't be possible, at least not at those affordable prices.



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Jexy said:
maximus22 said:
adriane23 said:
There's no point in outlawing guns in the U.S. because it's too easy to get one illegally. On that note owning a gun for "security" is stupid. The criminal with nothing to lose will come out the winner 9 times out of 10 unless you're hyper paranoid and expect to be attacked 24/7.


I would think someone defending their family's lives with everything to lose would take the odds.


Not only that but the statistics say just about the exact opposite of what this guy says.

I would think so.  But even if my odds were one in a thousand, they're better than they would be without guns.



Andrespetmonkey said:
Jexy said:

Well the topic is about USA and guns, and the crime.  I took what you said and applied it to the topic.  Scandinavia isn't great because of the high taxes and socialistic properties, it's great because everyone is the same and they all agree on the main topics that normally throw most diverse countries off course.   So if someone were to read what you wrote, then say, the USA should be like that, I'm just saying it wouldn't work. 

Look I really do understand and agree with you, that was just a reply to someone elses claim that high taxes in Scandinavia was a bad thing. I was simply telling him that they aren't a bad thing for Scandinavia. I know the systems in place in Scandinavian countries only work on a small scale. When did I say the USA should be like that? I think the USA should be the opposite.

I'm still struggling to see how your replies relate to that post, sorry for the misunderstanding.

You must have missed the part where I said, I'm taking what you said, and applying it to the topic at hand.  And then I said, I'm writing this because someone could take it wrong, and read that because it works there, it could work in the USA as well.  And I was making sure anyone who read that didn't get the wrong idea.  Because that same thing has happened before in these very forums.  It wasn't so much a direct reply to what you said to who you were responding to, more of a general response to what you said. 



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maximus22 said:
Jexy said:


Not only that but the statistics say just about the exact opposite of what this guy says.

I would think so.  But even if my odds were one in a thousand, they're better than they would be without guns.

Vast majority of criminals aren't doing crimes with nothing to lose.  To say that is ill-informed and idiotic.  Criminals are still people, and they don't want to get shot, and they don't want to die.  Just get in a corner where it's hard to see you, preferably on the other side of a bed so your hands can be kept steady.  Yell out a warning that you have a gun, are willing to use it, and if necessary, fire a warning shot.  That should be all you need to do in the majority of cases.  Criminals make stupid decisions, but they aren't completely ignorant.  They aren't going to go rushing into a place where they could wind up dead if they know about it.



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Jexy said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Jexy said:
 

Well the topic is about USA and guns, and the crime.  I took what you said and applied it to the topic.  Scandinavia isn't great because of the high taxes and socialistic properties, it's great because everyone is the same and they all agree on the main topics that normally throw most diverse countries off course.   So if someone were to read what you wrote, then say, the USA should be like that, I'm just saying it wouldn't work. 

Look I really do understand and agree with you, that was just a reply to someone elses claim that high taxes in Scandinavia was a bad thing. I was simply telling him that they aren't a bad thing for Scandinavia. I know the systems in place in Scandinavian countries only work on a small scale. When did I say the USA should be like that? I think the USA should be the opposite.

I'm still struggling to see how your replies relate to that post, sorry for the misunderstanding.

You must have missed the part where I said, I'm taking what you said, and applying it to the topic at hand.  And then I said, I'm writing this because someone could take it wrong, and read that because it works there, it could work in the USA as well.  And I was making sure anyone who read that didn't get the wrong idea.  Because that same thing has happened before in these very forums.  It wasn't so much a direct reply to what you said to who you were responding to, more of a general response to what you said. 

Oh alright :P Sorry I tend to skim through longer posts, must of missed that.

I was guessing people would of just assumed that I wasn't saying that system would work in the US because of my previous posts.