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Ok then here is another question:

PS3 vs blu-ray?

Yes ps3 has IPTV, and has everyhting else the 360 has.



 

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Bill Gates said 12 months ago that hd-dvd/blu-ray would be the last physical medium. Also BT offering the 360 as their IPTV box has the possibility for a huge impact on game sales in the UK, especially if they are going to offer it for little or no cost.



crumas2 said:
ssj12 said:
 

sadlydownlaods are a while off. And streaming media is even farther. Its all due to internet speeds. Microsoft maybe able to offer the service but very few people will be willing to download 720p movies let alone 1080p pr the next round of resolutions 1440p, 1800p, or 4k. The file sizes will be anywhere from 15Gbs - 80GB which even on my internet which is 15mbps it would take me 2 days to download a 40Gb movie if the host server is fast enough to support a 15mbps download.


I've heard this before, but wouldn't that mean the primary audience would be:

1. Computer users

2. Owners of ultra-high-def sets

I can see #1 in a few years assuming enough people want to watch movies on their computer screen instead of the living room 1080i/1080p set.  But #2 would suggest that people start replacing 1080i/1080p sets with something higher resolution.  That would mean mainstream transmission equipment, etc. are all higher def.

 


 not generally true. There are 4k+ sets. Sony had 2 on dispay (they were 80 inch screens). Several of the other companies also had 4k+ sets on display.

The transition to the super HD resolutions will take roughly 10 years but during the 10 years Blu-ray will have expanded it's available size to fit 4k+, before anyone questions the point of 4k+ movies are already being shot in 5k+ resolutions, 100GBs should be plenty to fit 4k+ and maybe 5k+if you go to the 8 layered Blu-ray discs (200GBs).

By that time internet speeds will be 15mbps minimum, hopefully, so downlaods will take off and movies on disc will be a opinional purchase like CDs are now.  That being said there will always be the sense of want for physical media ;ike Blu-ray so formats will always exist. Remember there are still companies producing records (vinyl).There will always be CDs, and a movie format. DVDs will die followed by Blu-ray then the next format. It will be an ongoing chain.



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Your still not getting anyone but young peolple to do this for a long time. Music is different, you take that everywhere with you. In the car, working out, etc.

Movies are for your theater. People want hard copies, and many people still fear the internet. I can assure you my parents will never do this unless its provided through the cable company.

DD might be the future for the next generation, but I dont think the Xbox360 will have anything to do with that. (Maybe the Xbox720?) One things for sure though, if they want to become that home media hub, Xbox Live will need to be free.



Mistershine said:
Bill Gates said 12 months ago that hd-dvd/blu-ray would be the last physical medium. Also BT offering the 360 as their IPTV box has the possibility for a huge impact on game sales in the UK, especially if they are going to offer it for little or no cost.

IPTV is coming to ps3 first in the uk.



 

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Another problem with this...

I have an HD-DVR from Dish Network. It also DL's movies from the internet, and I don't have to pay for the hardware. I pay 6 buck a month for the service and the box.

I don’t care if you are a PS3 or a 360 fan. Nothing is better at being a DVR then… well… a DVR.

The best part about it is I don’t use my PS3 or 360 when I want to DL movies. I just do that in the background on my DVR, and if I want to play a game, I play it.



I think there will be a market for DLC as well as physical media. Sony is also looking into implementing it as well (DLC). I think it will be a situation where MS will be ousted by Sony and Apple. Microsoft will be looking too much at the US market (kind of like they started the Xbox) and Other companies will be getting on the global wagon.



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ssj12 said:
 

not generally true. There are 4k+ sets. Sony had 2 on dispay (they were 80 inch screens). Several of the other companies also had 4k+ sets on display.

The transition to the super HD resolutions will take roughly 10 years but during the 10 years Blu-ray will have expanded it's available size to fit 4k+, before anyone questions the point of 4k+ movies are already being shot in 5k+ resolutions, 100GBs should be plenty to fit 4k+ and maybe 5k+if you go to the 8 layered Blu-ray discs (200GBs).

By that time internet speeds will be 15mbps minimum, hopefully, so downlaods will take off and movies on disc will be a opinional purchase like CDs are now. That being said there will always be the sense of want for physical media ;ike Blu-ray so formats will always exist. Remember there are still companies producing records (vinyl).There will always be CDs, and a movie format. DVDs will die followed by Blu-ray then the next format. It will be an ongoing chain.


I would agree that higher resolutions might become available through the Internet, but most consumers get their TV via broadcast. 

For the average consumer who wants to watch his or her episode of Monk or NCIS, the cable company or satellite is going to be the mass market choice for a while.  And if that infrastructure doesn't embrace ultra-high-def, the market for ultra-high-def TVs won't materialize.  Computer monitors... sure.  But not Joe Average's 46" plasma screen (or whatever we have by then).

How many years ago did people start buying HDTVs?  How many homes in the US now have an HDTV in their living room?  According to Neilsen, approx. 13.7% of US homes had HDTVs/HD-Tuners at the end of Oct.  I just can't imagine that in 10 years we're going to have a lot of US homes with 4K sets and that the cable, satellite, and over-the-air broadcasters are going to abandon the billions of dollars of HD equipment they've just installed.  It just doesn't make any sense, economically.

 



madskillz said:
I have long knew this would be brought up, but when I found out I could link my 360 to my PC, I know it was over with. I love being able to watch movies on my PC and with the last update, I can even watch my DIVX movies! I guess that's why I play my 360 more than my Wii and definitely my PC. I can be doing a video game review or blog and just cut a movie on, sit back in the recliner and watch it.

Folks say MS is gonna go Blu. I doubt it. Downloads are where they are heading ...

How do I link a 360 to a PC? And whats the advantage? Please explain.



ssj12 said:
tk1989 said:
this has been a long time comming. This is the future as we know it, not bluray or hd dvd, but downloads.

 sadlydownlaods are a while off. And streaming media is even farther. Its all due to internet speeds. Microsoft maybe able to offer the service but very few people will be willing to download 720p movies let alone 1080p pr the next round of resolutions 1440p, 1800p, or 4k. The file sizes will be anywhere from 15Gbs - 80GB  which even on my internet which is 15mbps it would take me 2 days to download a 40Gb movie if the host server is fast enough to support a 15mbps download. 


I think your numbers are a bit off.

Isn't a connection speed running at 15mbps = 1.875 MB/s (since 1 bit = 1/8 byte)? That would give 112,5 MB per minute, and approx 6.5 GB per hour, meaning a 40GB movie would take 6 hours to download with your 15mbps connection ssj12, not 48 hours.

 

ssj12 said:

The transition to the super HD resolutions will take roughly 10 years but during the 10 years Blu-ray will have expanded it's available size to fit 4k+, before anyone questions the point of 4k+ movies are already being shot in 5k+ resolutions, 100GBs should be plenty to fit 4k+ and maybe 5k+if you go to the 8 layered Blu-ray discs (200GBs).

 


The bolded part made me curious. Can you remember where you've heard this, and do you know if it's a new and/or common trend to film movies in such high res (maybe they do it only for movies meant for IMAX...?)?