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Analyst: Xbox Business a 'Disastrous Endeavor' for MS

The Xbox 360 may be popular but it can't be considered successful, says financial analyst Roger Ehrenberg. He believes the entire Xbox business has been a bomb for Microsoft and that "Ballmer's Boys" in Redmond need to own up to it. More within...

Financial analyst Roger Ehrenberg has taken a hard look at the major investment Microsoft has made in gaming since the company first entered the space with the original Xbox , which was released in November of 2001. According to Ehrenberg's piece on financial site SeekingAlpha, Microsoft's decision to get into the gaming business has been nothing short of disastrous. He acknowledges that there are many who think the 360 is a "rocking product" but from a financial perspective he states that the Xbox 360 is a "bomb."

 

 

"Making money, e.g., the creation of long-term shareholder value, has got to be the ultimate driver of Microsoft's gaming (and H&E) strategy, right? Well, after five years and over $21 billion invested all they've got to show for it is $5.4 billion of cumulative operating losses, and Xbox 360 doesn't appear to be the silver bullet to turn things around," says Ehrenberg.

 

Both the Xbox and Xbox 360 have often been thought of as machines for the hardcore gamer. That's all well and good, but as Ehrenberg points out, you need to reach the mass market in order to truly succeed. PS2 was a major, major success because everyone bought it, including people who only bought 1 or 2 games (usually a Madden or a GTA for an entire year).

 

"It seems to me that there is a disconnect between stated objectives, strategy and execution. Microsoft's vision of the gaming console as the window into the living room is a big, big bet, and one that clearly hasn't paid off thus far," says Ehrenberg. "Mr. Moore talks about the need to broaden its audience across both geographies and demographics, yet the emphasis on HDTV as being a key factor driving broad-based console sales kind of misses the point.

 

"Is the Wii successful because of its zippy graphics and technological superiority? No. It is successful because it is fun. And because it appeals to a broad audience. And because it is comparatively cheap. The Microsoft strategy sounds more like a niche strategy for hard-core gamers, in which case its investment in a console strategy should be smaller and more targeted. Would Lamborghini try to sell to everyone? Of course not; it would target those who the company knows value its features and are willing to pay for them. This is basic stuff."

 

Ehrenberg also claims that the Japanese market is vitally important to the success of any console and that a console's performance in Japan is often an indicator of how it will do on a worldwide basis.

 

"Success in the Japanese market is a key determinant of success in the worldwide market," he says. "In fact, one might say that is a necessary but insufficient condition for a globally successful console platform. Sony and Nintendo have absolutely thrashed Microsoft in Japan, and it shows in the global console sales figures. For historical reference, consider that over 19 million PS1s and 20 million PS2s were sold in Japan alone, close to the worldwide sales figures for the original Xbox console... an early read of the tea leaves does not bode well for the Xbox 360."

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=15859

N'Gai C. is famous for calling the Xbox "Microsoft's Vietnam", and this article seems to agree with his position.  I generally agree as well, although I do think in two years Microsoft will be profiting on 360.  I just do not think they will profit enough to have made the investment worth it.

 



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Nice article.


I find it very interesting. I can't wait to see what happens when Halo 3 comes out. I wonder if it will be enough to keep the PS3 off it's back. For right now it appears Nintendo is the one shooting for the moon. In less than a year, Wii will be the global champion. I think.

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I didn't know they lost so much on the Xboxes... 5 Billion is a BIG ass number.

Nintendo seems to be playing it right. I think once they start getting more Wii's on the street, we're going to see a new picture.



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I have already read, somewhere, that "Xbox buziness" of Microsoft has lost more than 1 billion dollar a year since the beginning of XBOX.

I'm not surprised : selling "only" 20 millions units of Xbox isn't enough to win money with games, when you sells the hardware cheaper than its real price... That's why Ninty builds cheap console. (and also because Ninty don't have Windows to help him)



homelesscarl said:

I didn't know they lost so much on the Xboxes... 5 Billion is a BIG ass number.

Nintendo seems to be playing it right. I think once they start getting more Wii's on the street, we're going to see a new picture.

From selling consoles at a loss.  From funding development for games.  From funding advertising of xbox games (millions per game funded).  Advertising of xbox consoles and live (10s of million per year).  From updating and supporting live.  General customer support.
This is why I find it ludicrous that Sony thinks that make Home free is a good idea.  At least with the Wii Channels, there are not that much server load.  But with Home, most of it has to be a hosted world(s), this is expensive.  This is part of the reason why MMORPG all charge monthly fee.


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I know the first Xbox lost MS a crapton of money. That was fine, because they just wanted to get their foot in the door, and they could afford to spend money to do it.

However, I find it hard to believe that the 360 isn't profitable. Even if they're taking a loss on units, it's a smaller loss than Sony is taking on the PS3, and the software attach rates for the 360 are really high. MS is already selling tons of software in the second year of the 360's lifespan, and it will only accelerate in the future. They're not going to come anywhere near Nintendo's money-printing profits, but I do expect them to recoup most of their losses from the first Xbox, if not all and then some.

MS will also see a lot more Live subscriptions this generation, which is pure money in their pockets. 



I know many people want to try and hang their hat on the likes of Halo in view of possibly helping Xbox dominate the market...but this is a bit naive if you ask me.

Halo will help sell some consoles and might prove valuable in the long run, but not because Halo is able to drive sales solely on it's own: The true silver-lining for Microsoft is the fact that they will pick up more sales due to Sony's inept attempts with PS3.

Unless Sony is able to overtake 360 ( but with the continued loss of third party exclusives, it looks doubtful ) I think M$ is in the console market for another round.

Otherwise, I think with nearly five billion in the red with only projections of --SEVEN-- years being needed to turn any profit for the gaming division as a whole, Microsoft would remove itself from the market.



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auroragb said:
homelesscarl said:

I didn't know they lost so much on the Xboxes... 5 Billion is a BIG ass number.

Nintendo seems to be playing it right. I think once they start getting more Wii's on the street, we're going to see a new picture.

From selling consoles at a loss. From funding development for games. From funding advertising of xbox games (millions per game funded). Advertising of xbox consoles and live (10s of million per year). From updating and supporting live. General customer support.
This is why I find it ludicrous that Sony thinks that make Home free is a good idea. At least with the Wii Channels, there are not that much server load. But with Home, most of it has to be a hosted world(s), this is expensive. This is part of the reason why MMORPG all charge monthly fee.

You don't understand. The PS1 and the PS2 probably hit sony for billions.... then they made it back and more. The point is to recoup your losses then make profit. MS just took a loss...... period. That would fold most companies and I am pretty sure that type of thing would make even sony pause. Sony took a 2 billion loss launching the PS3, manufacturing and advertisment. 3 million PS3's sold = 1.8 billion dollars give or take. Think about that.

 The same type of math apllies to MS.



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staticneuron said:
auroragb said:
homelesscarl said:

I didn't know they lost so much on the Xboxes... 5 Billion is a BIG ass number.

Nintendo seems to be playing it right. I think once they start getting more Wii's on the street, we're going to see a new picture.

From selling consoles at a loss. From funding development for games. From funding advertising of xbox games (millions per game funded). Advertising of xbox consoles and live (10s of million per year). From updating and supporting live. General customer support.
This is why I find it ludicrous that Sony thinks that make Home free is a good idea. At least with the Wii Channels, there are not that much server load. But with Home, most of it has to be a hosted world(s), this is expensive. This is part of the reason why MMORPG all charge monthly fee.

You don't understand. The PS1 and the PS2 probably hit sony for billions.... then they made it back and more. The point is to recoup your losses then make profit. MS just took a loss...... period. That would fold most companies and I am pretty sure that type of thing would make even sony pause. Sony took a 2 billion loss launching the PS3, manufacturing and advertisment. 3 million PS3's sold = 1.8 billion dollars give or take. Think about that.

The same type of math apllies to MS.


 I'm glad you're not my accountant.



.. why did MS ever even get into gaming ?