Karma is a bitch: http://myona.com/2011/12/18/ps-vita-hacked/

when you bought the ps3 you paid for the hardware not the service.
same with games, you purchase whats on the disk, the developers have the right to take down servers any time they like.
everyone hates 100000 page t&c's but its all in there.
sony could shut down the whole of psn tomorrow and they wouldnt need to refund a single ps3 system.
sony never said you couldnt use linux....there the ones who gave you the option in the first place.

Actually, you paid for both. Hence the service contract included with the product (also known as a EULA - the EULA doesn't bind usage of the hardware, it applies to the service).

For the record, my statement about playing online as a right was a demonstration of using one's logic against them which I have successfully done.  In fact anyone who personally knows me can testify that I could care less about playing online since I highly favor single player games over multi-player games especially online games.  Persisttantthuge specifically said:

"This is about Consumer rights."

The topic thread was in regards to the Other OS feature which Sony disabled in newer versions of their firmware.  If it a consumer's right to install another OS on the PS3 for their enjoyment, why can it not be consistantly argued that it's also a right to play online without the unfairness of hackers' exploits through "other OS?"  This is my context.  So you have been the one putting words into my mouth and making up garbage by taking things out of context.  Because I said:

"And I have the right to play a game without the unfairness of hackers exploiting a system that makes it unfair for the mass majority..."

I never said I have the right to play online in and of itself.  See.  Big difference here.  And just just because I don't agree with every response in this thread and I have my own response doesn't mean I've ignored and missed points.  So please stop making up garbage and stop being quick to point out people's "fault" (especially ones you've made up) when you turn a blind eye to those who favor your POV when the logic also count against them as well.  I'm sure your nephew will appreciate the positive inflluence.

Funny how these hackers act like there hacking things for "revenge". They would've done it anyway. It's not karma people want to steal games and there going to and if you do anything to try to stop them they label you as someone who takes from consumers and is "bad". 

Everyone knows Sony is in the buisness of making money I don't expect them to send flowers to my house and try to buddy me up. It's the pirates that act like there on the "consumers" side. Like there doing anything other then being cockroach thieves makes them far worse in my eyes. They pretend to be justice and justify there actions.

Console Modders - They are not the same as pirates but when you mod a GAMING console you open the door to pirates and everyone knows it. They try to wash there hands clean by claiming ignorance and I have no room for that either. Your just as guilty you can hide behind w/e reasoning you want but if you know your going to cause harm for little good your just a bad. Opening the door to modding will cause damages to others so lets just not do it. If you don't care what damages you do in your wake why should anyone care about you?

i wish people like Hotz could mod a PS3 and share extra features accross the board but the pirates cause damage and they fuck us the consumers over. He can claim "its my right" all he wants but he knows the damages and he didn't care. I'm glad Sony won. How about this : If we didn't have pirates Sony would've kept OtherOS in. If we didn't have pirates Sony wouldn't care if we modded. 

There are people that dislike this for many reasons. There are legit users of OtherOS and the people that defend them but you have the blame the main reason for this even happening in the first place: PIRATES. They are asshats that only care about themselves and this crap wouldn't happen if they didn't exsist. /end rant

The day you justify sacrificing your liberty and freedoms for the sake of convenience for a corporation is the day that you can kiss those freedoms goodbye...

Sony still have every right to pursue pirates over copyright, nobody is stopping them from that. It's just that they should do it not in a way that treads on my personal property rights in the process...

And what sort of conveniences would that be with the context of this thread?  And I didn't know you owned IP's installed on the PS3.  Care to enlighten us on those IP's?

IP is intelectual property, ie thoughts and ideas and code, not actual items. He would be referring to the physical items that he purchases and how a corporation should not be able to retain control of a physical item that is already purchased and paid for, also known as personal property.

Let's not forget that Sony has to deal with the backlash of consumers for taking away a feature. That's the negative thing they cannot avoid it's just that in this situation most people didn't care whereas if it were the blueray player people would flip.

I'm not defending the convenience of a company although I'm not someone who thinks there all evil and get away with w/e they want. Consumers lose out when crap like this goes down not just Sony. They spend money fighting pirates and they lose software sales to them. They spend less money on the entertainment side and developers have less to make games with and considering how much content Sony's first parties put out it would suck if they couldn't.

There needs to be a balance between consumer and company and that's where laws come in. Take away blueray and Sony would lose the lawsuit.

"you're not understanding the broad scope here"

i would actually say you aren't as the reality is that only a very small minority of ps3 owners used or even knew about other os ( as it wasn't advertised )

"It's not just Sony who's guilty here, either"

exactly thats where you had me confused as no console so far ( to my knowledge ) has allowed the user to move the console between networks

"The only way that the Wii Vitality sensor would be anything like the OtherOS"

from my perspective if you're saying that hyping features like these sways customer interest then both are the same