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fordy said:
o_O.Q said:

"Are you implying that the maority of PS3 USERS are pirates? "

this is what i said : 

"the few bad...? you may disagree but i'd say without a doubt that the majority of people that hack their consoles do it solely to pirate games"

how do you get me implying that from that? what you said was completely unrelated

 

" that gives anyone the right to move their PS3 to ANOTHER online service, one that would better suit them "

i think you lost me completely there

 

"but it would have been enough to sway some people who were on the fence deciding on a game console."

yeah people that instead of paying attention to the promos and advertisements on the tv, box of the console etc chose instead to pay attention to pr speech...

i've made the point before that if thats how you choose to look at it then, for example, nintendo's declaration for stress sensing tchnology in games via the vitality sensor can also be compared ( from the point of view that someone may be swayed to purchase a console because of the features coming to that console as you said yourself ) but you don't seem to think so...

the reality is that all companies overhype their products in interviews in ways that are at times misleading

Well you're not understanding the broad scope here, which is forcing security on all PS3 users, despite it being the minority exploiting the possibility. Do yourself a favour and read up the meaning of Liberty. What Sony is doing is classed as an attack on Liberty.

Yes well, if you can think in the broader scope, you'd notice that, despite the openness of publishing of third party games on all consoles, you're still stirictly locked on to one particular online service. It's not just Sony who's guilty here, either. PS3 gives you the option of PSN or none. 360 gives you the option of Xbox Live or none. This is one area in which the PC still reigns supreme in, the choice of digital distribution networks. Homebrew opens the door for such possibilities. You don't want to be on a network that allows cheaters? Fine, then pick another network. It would be as simple as that.

The only way that the Wii Vitality sensor would be anything like the OtherOS scandal is if Nintendo released the Vitality sensor, then several months later not only discontinued it, but asked for a recall of all purchased Vitality sensors, with threat that not doing so will result in banning from the Wii shop.  Of course, the Wii Vitality sensor never even made it to market. In fact, it never even got a release date, and no company has to oblige in releasing something they feel is off the mark etc. The difference is, OtherOS was already released. It was a full backpedal.

"you're not understanding the broad scope here"

i would actually say you aren't as the reality is that only a very small minority of ps3 owners used or even knew about other os ( as it wasn't advertised )

 

"It's not just Sony who's guilty here, either"

exactly thats where you had me confused as no console so far ( to my knowledge ) has allowed the user to move the console between networks


"The only way that the Wii Vitality sensor would be anything like the OtherOS"

from my perspective if you're saying that hyping features like these sways customer interest then both are the same