Lets put it this way Bruce over 14 3rd party published games have sold over half a million on Wii, by comparison PS3 has only 13 third party published games over half a million, third parties are not being shut out on the Wii, and Wii software sales are very strong for a system that you consider a fad, obviously its not just a Wii Sports machine

Bruceongames said: This is a gradual process. 12 months from now the Wii will probably still be quite hot. 24 months from now the Wii will probably be seen as being just as obsolete as the PS2. This timing is very approximate and either or both could move by as much as 12 months. That doesn't make it less inevitable. It is no good talking about previous generations of console because that is not what we are talking about. The paragrim shift here is that we are talking (for the first time in our industry) about a new generation of television. Obviously the Wii right now is a big bundle of fun. It was the toy of choice in Q4 2007. But a lot of this was down to it being a craze or fad. Like hoola hoops once were. This will not continue when it is generally seen as being out of date. Over lifetime the PS3 and 360 will both sell more than Wii. This is because they will have 10 year product lives.

 The PS2 is still regularly outselling the PS3 in some markets. The only thing that hurt the PS2 was the launch of the PS3, and that is simply because of the numbers. The PS2 is fading out not due to being old tech, but due to being literally obsolete. The succesor has been released and so it will slow down as the company pushees it less.

 I love how you dismiss other console generations for comparison, yet constantly go outside the industry to explain the Wii. Do you think hoola hoops and yo-yos are more relevant to the current console war than the NES? Graphics have not once decided a console war, and we have seen far far more dramatic leaps in display than is possible with a simple resolution change. The jump from 8-bit to 16-bit was huge. Going from an old atari to an NES is like night and day. The jump from 2-d to 3-d is almost certainly going to be the most important one in the history of gaming if you ask me. The jump from SDTV to HDTV can't even be noticed by a lot of people.

 40% of HDTV owners watch TV in HD. 40%. Think about that for just a second, and then try to reconcile your views that video quality is hugely important to the early adopters of a new technology, let alone the mass market that is about to follow them. Most people with HDTV sets do not care that their set is HD capable. It is irrelevant to them. And, surprise surprise, this trend even follows for PS3 and 360 owners.

 The final huge mistake you are making is you assume a game can only by as fun as it is pretty. Wii sports is an unqualified success. It doesn't even scratch the surface of what the Wii is capable of though. Hell, it doesn't scratch the surface of what the PS1 is capable of. I have sold at least a dozen people on the Wii with just that game though. They come over, play it for a bit and are absolutely hooked. Wii play has similar results, and I bet a bunch of other party games have as well.

 This friend of a friend of a friend leads to a viral marketing for the Wii. Everyone who gets it becomes a tiny billboard for the console. It imbeds itself in popular culture in a way that has not really happened for the gaming industry in any past generation. A year in supply has not met demand. A year of being sold out, and the media buzz is still going on about it. When you can address any of this with something more than a ridiculous claim that HDTV will change the way everyone views the system then I will take you seriously. Until then, feel free to preach to the choir as the industry changes around you.

  

  You must be a VGchartz regular impersonating someone else. I haven't used that line since I was twelve. 

Bruce, I recommend you read this guy's articles, then come back and let us know what you think of the Wii

http://malstrom.50webs.com/index.htm

Avinash_Tyagi said: Lets put it this way Bruce over 14 3rd party published games have sold over half a million on Wii, by comparison PS3 has only 13 third party published games over half a million, third parties are not being shut out on the Wii, and Wii software sales are very strong for a system that you consider a fad, obviously its not just a Wii Sports machine

Blimey, do you read what you post? According to you PS3 and Wii have virtually the same number of 3rd party titles with over half a million sales. Yet there are more than twice as many Wiis sold as there are PS3s. So the Wii is doing less than half as well as the PS3 for third party AAAs. And the PS3 has had less time for AAAs to be developed. And PS3 AAAs take longer to develop. Which makes the Wii performance look even worse. Unlike you I am not a fanboy. I don't care which manufacturer sells more consoles or games than another manufacturer. What is far more important is the trends and the effect that they have on commercial realities. I have been involved in this professionally since 1978 so have seen a lot of machines come and go.

Bruceongames said: Avinash_Tyagi said: Lets put it this way Bruce over 14 3rd party published games have sold over half a million on Wii, by comparison PS3 has only 13 third party published games over half a million, third parties are not being shut out on the Wii, and Wii software sales are very strong for a system that you consider a fad, obviously its not just a Wii Sports machine   Blimey, do you read what you post? According to you PS3 and Wii have virtually the same number of 3rd party titles with over half a million sales. Yet there are more than twice as many Wiis sold as there are PS3s. So the Wii is doing less than half as well as the PS3 for third party AAAs. And the PS3 has had less time for AAAs to be developed. And PS3 AAAs take longer to develop. Which makes the Wii performance look even worse. Unlike you I am not a fanboy. I don't care which manufacturer sells more consoles or games than another manufacturer. What is far more important is the trends and the effect that they have on commercial realities. I have been involved in this professionally since 1978 so have seen a lot of machines come and go.

 Do you read what you post, Sony lacks strong first party like Nintendo has, duh of course Nintendo in house would have a bigger share of the pie, but the fac that on a system that is supposedly built on third party they can't beat Nintendo which has a very strong first party developers is very telling that the Wii is legit.

 

Again define AAA's, most of the games on PS3 that sold over half a million are not high quality games, but flops in terms of reviews, they just sold well.

 

You have been ignoring the trends the trends sho Wii being more than a fad but an actual shift in the market 

Avinash_Tyagi said: Bruce, I recommend you read this guy's articles, then come back and let us know what you think of the Wii http://malstrom.50webs.com/index.htm

And I suggest that you go and read the huge number of articles on my blog that are read daily by some of the top executives and journalists in the industry. If you keep your mind open you will learn a lot.

The PS3 has had a great deal more time for third party AAA titles to be developed actually. Third parties were expecting them to be dominant out the gate, and the two had similar launches in a couple of the largest markets. There was a delayed launch in Europe, but that was a last second occurance and is unlikely to have affected development time of anything.

While it is slightly odd to have so few third party sales on the Wii, that is mitigated by the much much lower cost of development. I suspect a developer/publisher could care less if they sold 1 or 1,000 of a game if profits were identical. The Wii also has far more new owners who are less likely to have bought a ton of games, and worse third party support.

Overall, it is slightly concerning when you look at the third party games sales, but not overly alarming yet. If the trend continues throughout the year then there will certianly be problems, but that is just something we have to wait and watch for.

Bruceongames said: Avinash_Tyagi said: Bruce, I recommend you read this guy's articles, then come back and let us know what you think of the Wii http://malstrom.50webs.com/index.htm   And I suggest that you go and read the huge number of articles on my blog that are read daily by some of the top executives and journalists in the industry. If you keep your mind open you will learn a lot.

 The same guys who said PS3 would dominate the Wii?  Yeah I think i'll pass, i won't learn anything from those clowns

Bruceongames said: Avinash_Tyagi said: Bruce, I recommend you read this guy's articles, then come back and let us know what you think of the Wii http://malstrom.50webs.com/index.htm   And I suggest that you go and read the huge number of articles on my blog that are read daily by some of the top executives and journalists in the industry. If you keep your mind open you will learn a lot.

 So you are saying because the industry experts listen to you, that you are more likely to be correct? Like Pachter?

Avinash_Tyagi said: Bruceongames said: Avinash_Tyagi said: Lets put it this way Bruce over 14 3rd party published games have sold over half a million on Wii, by comparison PS3 has only 13 third party published games over half a million, third parties are not being shut out on the Wii, and Wii software sales are very strong for a system that you consider a fad, obviously its not just a Wii Sports machine   Blimey, do you read what you post? According to you PS3 and Wii have virtually the same number of 3rd party titles with over half a million sales. Yet there are more than twice as many Wiis sold as there are PS3s. So the Wii is doing less than half as well as the PS3 for third party AAAs. And the PS3 has had less time for AAAs to be developed. And PS3 AAAs take longer to develop. Which makes the Wii performance look even worse. Unlike you I am not a fanboy. I don't care which manufacturer sells more consoles or games than another manufacturer. What is far more important is the trends and the effect that they have on commercial realities. I have been involved in this professionally since 1978 so have seen a lot of machines come and go.  Do you read what you post, Sony lacks strong first party like Nintendo has, duh of course Nintendo in house would have a bigger share of the pie, but the fac that on a system that is supposedly built on third party they can't beat Nintendo which has a very strong first party developers is very telling that the Wii is legit.   Again define AAA's, most of the games on PS3 that sold over half a million are not high quality games, but flops in terms of reviews, they just sold well.   You have been ignoring the trends the trends sho Wii being more than a fad but an actual shift in the market

 

When you say that Sony lacks strong first party you demonstrate that you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. Your post is the ranting of a fanboy.